Triumphrat

dickint · 11-09-2005

Folks,

Forgive me if this subject was already posted. I searched and didn't find anything. I emailed FRAM and they said CH6012 is the one for the RIII. I bought one and got home and opened the box and it is just the element and some orings. I thought it was a spin-on? Or maybe someone swaped the box. Maybe the 6017 works but I'm not sure. I would like to find one that will work with the chrome cover. Please advise... Thanks... :???:

BC-Rocket · 11-09-2005

The Fram number I used is PH6607. One minor problem is that this filter has a "SureGrip" coating around the top. It is a thin rubbery coating designed to help you grip the filter so you can turn it on properly when you install it. The problem is that it increases the filter diameter at the top slightly, making it harder to get the stainless slip on cover in place. A gentle tap with a plastic hammer solved the problem. I'm not sure how difficult it is going to be to get the stainless cover off! I'll deal with that on the next oil change! I can either fight to get the cover off while the filter is on the bike, or spin the assembly off and then extract the filter!

bigern2300 · 11-09-2005

The 6012 fits Trophys and other assorted Triumphs with internal filter.

Toystoretom · 11-09-2005

Check out what this guy has done to inspect oil filter quality...

You might want to think twice about Fram or Amsoil...

Toby Creek Oil Filter Study

The reason I say that about Amsoil is the teeny tiny size of the element... it appears to be the smallest he's tested. The Fram just appears to be junk.. I'm thinkin' K&N even if the chrome cover doesn't fit. I wonder what the Triumph filter looks like? Next time I do an oil change I'll hack my old one open.

drtim · 11-10-2005

Tom-
Thanks for the repost of the Toby Creek Oil Filter Study link. I know a couple of other riders that need to see this.

wills · 11-12-2005

Read this e-mail from Fram. I inquired about the "expert" on the Web.

Mr. Wharton,

In response to our phone conversation about the construction of FRAM filters, I am sending you some relevant
information. As we spoke about, some evaluations that you find on the web are based on opinions through visual
interpretation. There are no comparative tests or engineering data to support the opinions and that can be very misleading. We have reviewed this type of information and have gathered the facts including the results from Standardized Filter Test Procedures developed through the SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) and it demonstrates how misleading these evaluations can be. As you will notice in the attached comparison of FRAM filters versus the Ford/GM Manufacturers Original Equipment specifications, we exceed the requirements by a significant margin and when it comes to protecting the engine (the heart of what an oil filter is there to do) we far exceed the efficiency requirements. Please take the time to review the attached information. It also discusses a number of other items that can be misleading. I'm sure you'll get a appreciation of the engineering and development effort that goes into designing and qualifying a FRAM filter.
<<Fram-FAQ 2005.doc>>
Thank you for giving us the opportunity to reply to the comments made about FRAM filters on the internet.

Susan Groom
FRAM Product Engineering Manager
Honeywell Consumer Products Group
Perrysburg, OH

I also have the SAE test if anyone wants to see it, PM me.

I am not a advocate of Fram, but have used the oil filters on all of my bikes. The VMax has 29,000 trouble free miles. I also have spoken to many mechanics at the various bike shops in the area, none said anything bad. In Fact one shop races bikes (dirt), has many trophies and uses Fram.

RiderRocketman · 11-12-2005

Just goes to show that unscientific testing needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

Toystoretom · 11-12-2005

So if Fram has passed these tests.... So have the other manufacturers. So now we look at the quality of construction and the Fram is sorely lacking. If a filter is going to have a physical failure it is most likely going to be the Fram. Cardboard endcaps? This is no place to pinch pennies... with so little difference in the price of oil filters and after seeing the inside of a Fram I will never put one on any of my vehicles, there are much better filters out there.

And you really didn't expect Ms. Groom to say "You are right, we make junk." :-D You really need to be careful when companies supply their own scientific experts. Somewhat of a conflict of interest, don't you think?? :-D

And the Amsoil filter is curious.. a one inch filter element? I'm sure it passes all the test also. I also see reports from Amsoil dealers that their filter is so much superior to anything else out there that you should only use an Amsoil filter. I would be scared to leave an Amsoil filter on my Rocket for 10,000 miles, which is the recommended oil change interval, if a filter is going to plug up its going to be the Amsoil first. Makes me wonder about the rest of Amsoil's products.

My point is this... I'm going to use my own common sense. SAE experts often design junk that doesn't work and often fails in use. I know, I see it every day. I'm constantly cleaning up their messes. Fallacy of the expert.

Valkyrie111 · 11-12-2005

Quite right Tomo, Fram uses cheap components. I believe they are more prone to failure. Not worth saving a few bucks on one of the most critical elements of longevity.

Aussiekeeper · 11-13-2005

Oh, Tommy........I seriously doubt that there would be that much debris in the engine to CLOG any filter, unless the engine is grenading. I use the Amsoil filter because it works and I can buy them at a good price. I cut open the filters after a change and find almost nothing in them, just a very tiny amount of debris.......I also send oil samples on the bike and my new Super Duty, just so I know what is going on. By the way, I change the R3 oil once a year. :upthumb:

Ron