Triumphrat

rider47 · 09-01-2005

Triumph, if you are listening, how about a line of performance parts like other manufacturers have done? You could start your Screaming Tiger parts line with a set of factory performance heads that raises the compression to at least to 9.7 to 1. The Rocket's compression of 8.7 to 1 is about the lowest I have seen on any modern motorcycle, and is even lower than stock Harleys. Raising the compression only by 1 point should not significantly affect reliability and would probably add 10 to 15 horsepower. Would anyone else be interested in this type of a product?

Monk · 09-01-2005

would like to see that .An ahotter set of cams,This i think is all in a very reasonable .For we are not looking to go alout crazy monk :-D :-D

Toystoretom · 09-01-2005

You know.... I think Triumph folks do check in here from time to time but as you might imagine they are never going to let us know......

If you want to raise your compression ratio buy changing out heads... instead of buying a new head remove yours from the bike and send it to a machine shop and have it plained. They can calculate the amount and check valve clearances to raise your CR to about 9.5 to 1. You have to pull your head anyway... right? You can have them CC the cylinders and flow the ports also. But now you will have to run premium and may need octane boost. If you go too far you may need something like water injection....

I think Triumph could improve in the performance parts business. But remember... they are a little company trying to keep costs down and compete with the big boys. They've done a pretty good job so far... Maybe they will catch up on this too.

Aussiebikerdave · 09-01-2005

In one way I hope not! Wouldn't like them to become as common as Hardly-Feasables. I quite enjoy the mistique that comes about by owning a very special but relatively rare motorcycle.

Ahh yes, the Rocket III wasn't it? will be the response for years to come when someone questions what the best road motorcycle ever produced was. Bikes like the legendary Vincent HRD, racing Ducatis, Hailwood's Honda six, Kiwi John's Brittans, MV Agustas or TE Lawrence's Brough Superior will rank after the mighty Rocket in the annuls of motorcycling history. And we were part of it!

Davo

RocketEd · 09-01-2005

Ya know, I hate to be all negative, pessimistic, cynical, and all those other words applied to folks not drinking the Kool Aid, but do you really think Triumph wants to put out hi-po parts for a bike that is already developing a less than stellar rep for reliability?? Lately at least once a week a failure of some magnitude is reported on this site alone. Transmission failures, shifting fork failures, cam gear failure, speedo failure, crank gear failure, output shaft bearing failure, clutches exploding on the ride home, etc, etc, etc. I would think they want to leave that to the aftermarket for a while so when something fails they can point at someone other than themselves.
Be objective here, how many other modern bikes do you know of with this kind of breakage? I'm not talking about recalls because a bolt or a clip or whatever MIGHT come loose, I'm talking about there's only even a few of the bike out there and already major things are breaking. Early Harley Twin Cams come to mind. HD can withstand anything. '99 and 2000 Victory transmissions failed at an alarming rate and it dang near killed them.
Sorry, I don't see Triumph wanting to add stress to what may already be a borderline running gear. There's likely a reason they kept detuning it before release.
Sorry too if my opinion offends anyone, but I've had my Rocket as long as virtually anyone on this site, so I guess I've as much right to express it as anyone.

P.S. Will raising the compression ratio develop more heat? Do you really want more heat off your Rocket?

Shawn · 09-02-2005

Your opinion isn't offending anyone, there have been years in my life when one of my Triumphs didn't do much mileage due to unusual repair issues. It's one of the reasons I created this site.

I'm hoping that my poor 10-year old Daytona can get on the road this weekend, the first time in roughly six weeks. It will be a just a big black beast with war marks on it until it is taken down again this winter for body repair and new paint. Unless I bite on one of the new 06 Models :-D

Triumph employees do visit this site, from several parts of the world, but as previously mentioned they generally don't make themselves known as such.

sbljr · 09-02-2005

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On 2005-09-01 20:48, Toystoretom wrote:
I think Triumph could improve in the performance parts business. But remember... they are a little company trying to keep costs down and compete with the big boys. They've done a pretty good job so far... Maybe they will catch up on this too.

Yup for those demanding a full line of "Screamin Tiger" stuff let's remember Triumph cannot spend a bundle bringing a plethora of fresh performance parts to market with every model revision and be assured of recouping all the dev costs in short order. You can do that if you sell 300,000 bikes. If you sell 1/10 that you have to rely on aftermarket support to help instead of considering them just a competitive nuisance.

Ugarte · 09-02-2005

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Sorry too if my opinion offends anyone, but I've had my Rocket as long as virtually anyone on this site, so I guess I've as much right to express it as anyone.

No problems here after 14500 miles.

Virtually every moto forum I have been on has many tales of breaking bikes. Hell, one guy even set up his own website specifically to trash the suzi LC 1500 Intruder, a bike loved by the vast majority of owners for its comfort and reliability. I bought the bike despite his rantings and was very happy with it....till the Rocket came along.

In order to truly tell if a particular design is flawed we would need to look at the repair records of all the bikes sold, know how they were treated by the owner, and any other special circumstances.

As far as I am concerned the Rocket is as reliable as any other bike I have owned. Am I just lucky or are the problems exxaggerated because problems are what people report....not daily reliability.

sbljr · 09-02-2005

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On 2005-09-02 12:43, Ugarte wrote:
Virtually every moto forum I have been on has many tales of breaking bikes.

Yep if you want to be convinced ANY vehicle on earth is a totally worthless POS built by complete idiots and fraudulently marketed to the public by criminal sociopaths, an abomination so atrociously engineered nobody in their right mind would ever consider owning one even if they were being given away free, all you have to do is go to a web forum dedicated to that vehicle and read the problem posts. Read them, that is, without putting them into proper perspective.

Toystoretom · 09-02-2005

Swanee... what the heck did you just say???? :-D

You guys is missin' the point.... some of us like to keep hoppin' them motorsicles up till they blow up... then we laugh and laugh and go lookin' for my missing left hand....

Actually my Rocket is as tough as nails... I can't seem to break it.... I don't know where this borderline stuff comes from...

The worst new bike I ever bought was a Honda V 45 Sabre. What an unmitigated disaster. From the first day. But thats another story for another forum.....

Tomo