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Old 01-01-2011, 07:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Gi pro and secondaries

Hi fellas I know this has been discussed in much detail so I do apologise but can you clear this up for me, I have ordered a GI PRO with ATRE for my rocket so is there any reason to remove the secondaries? Will the GI PRO not achieve the same result, ie de restrict the lower gears? thanks , mark
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Old 01-01-2011, 07:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It depends if the tune you have loaded has the secondaries open 100% in 4th and 5th.
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Old 01-01-2011, 07:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
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well i have tors and cat bypass and i believe the triumph tune that goes with that set up, only had bike a month so its what previous owner told me, I just want to know if its worth removing the secondaries if the gi pro does the same thing
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Old 01-02-2011, 12:18 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Take out the secondaries, install the Gipro, set it to #3 and then hang on for dear life.
You will feel a big difference in power and throttle response.
The Gipro does not have anything to do with the secondaries anyway, what it does is it fools the ECU into thinking its in a different gear.
I,m not exactly sure how it works but someone else can probably explain better.
As for the tune you have, I think you are ok with that.
But someone else may chime in.

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Old 01-02-2011, 08:39 AM   #5 (permalink)
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So do I need to remove the fuel tank when removing the plastic plenum to gain access to secondaries?
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Take out the secondaries, install the Giro, set it to #3 and then hang on for dear life.
You will feel a big difference in power and throttle response.
The Giro does not have anything to do with the secondaries anyway, what it does is it fools the EC into thinking its in a different gear.
I,m not exactly sure how it works but someone else can probably explain better.
As for the tune you have, I think you are OK with that.
But someone else may chime in.
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So do I need to remove the fuel tank when removing the plastic plenum to gain access to secondaries?
No, you can pull all of the plastic without removing the tank. Quite a few bands and a couple of hard to get at screws if I recall. Make sure you stick a rag or tape off the throttle bodies below the secondary plates when you take out the screws. If one falls into the depths, not a good thing. R3Mac is right, hang on, you will feel the difference.
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No, you can pull all of the plastic without removing the tank. Quite a few bands and a couple of hard to get at screws if I recall. Make sure you stick a rag or tape off the throttle bodies below the secondary plates when you take out the screws. If one falls into the depths, not a good thing. R3Mac is right, hang on, you will feel the difference.
I removed the secondaries just a week ago and the procedure is child's play just lift the tank on its stick . the big annoying job is the plenum clips and if you remove that ,you might as well put the three filters on ,it will be easier than putting all that plastic plenum back on, also a dynojet 02 optimizer a temp sensor filter and be done with it flipmeister sell a complete kit just for that mod
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Old 01-02-2011, 02:23 PM   #8 (permalink)
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secondary removal

Someone kindly posted this on another forum.
It should help a lot for secondary removal.
Its in german but has english subtitles.
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Old 01-02-2011, 02:48 PM   #9 (permalink)
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so tell me this, I have big air filter under the seat, so if I put 3 dyno jet filters under the bear claw does that mean the large air filter is then removed? I have seen this large air filter can be replaced by large k and n item so what is best? also I dont have tuneboy or powercommander so cant re map if I change the air filters! You experienced Rocket men have no idea how confusing all the information on here is_3 filters, 1 filter , pc111 , tuneboy , gi pro,remove secondarys etc etc , I gave bike up for years after owning zzr, fireblade,vmax blah blah and now I have the rocket I am bloody addicted and cant sleep at night in case I wake up in the morning having lost 3bhp in my sleep lol
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If you take out the secondaries and remove all that plastic crap ductwork,
then replace with the 3 K&N's, then yes the big filter under the seat is no longer used in any way.
Throw that in the trash along with the plastic crap.
YOU WILL NEED SOMETHING once you open up the airways.
Either PC3, Tuneboy, Freeware, or a Dobeck.
If you mess with the intake or exhaust, don't forget to do a 12 minute tune at the minimum.
All that is is start it up without touching the throttle.
Let it idle till the fan comes on then time it for 12 minutes.
That adapts it to the new adjustments.
But it doesn't replace a fuel managment system like tuneboy or PC3, it'll just get you by for awhile.
I had a PC3 on mine but didn't like the fact I had to keep up with the cable, and cd,
and just never could get it "right".
The benefit of the PC3 is the dynotuners use it.
but everytime you change something on either the intake side
or the exhaust side you have to get it back to the tuners.
That gets expensive after a few changes.
I now have the Dobeck.
I'm probably running a little rich, but I can live with the decreased fuel mileage,
cause I'm always changing something on mine...
Hope this helps.
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