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Old 10-01-2009, 11:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question about 12 min tune

Is it possible that doing the 12 MT could force the bike to make changes for the better that the bike is not able to do just via regular riding ? I'm told the bike is constantly monitoring all these various parammeters and making changes as necassary as you ride. So what does the 12 MT tune do thats different ?

My Tbird has this function according to the manual, but the answer to my question isn't exactly clear. I had TORs for a while but didn't lie them, and after putting the stockers back on the bike runs better with the TORs tune even with stock pipes. So thats one change over stock. The other is a UNI filter. granted, this is not exactly a huge change having a freer filter and different tune. But i just wonder if it might run better after the 12 MT.
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The main difference between the "12 minute tune" and the adaptations that the ECU makes on its own initiative during normal operation is mainly the time scale.

In daily service, the computer tends to assume the data it's receiving from the sensors are truthful. If it notices inconsistencies arising gradually over time, however--such as normal aging of sensors--it compensates for them with an internal recalibration over time as well.

If a sudden data anomaly arises, it first assumes that the information is real...that something in the bike's environment has actually changed; ie, you've ridden up a mountainside into thinner air, or a cold front has moved through, or whatever. In assuming the condition to be real, it will attempt to keep performance consistent through normal, accepted adaptations of fuel map and ignition timing. It may take a couple of operating cycles for it to realize the anomaly is persisting, that the performance compensations aren't working, and then try to adapt itself (which may not even be possible if the sensor is faulty enough, and is difficult to do anyway if the rider is operating the throttle).

The "12 minute tune" is generally a way of signalling the ECU that an intentional change has been made--you've replaced a sensor or made exhaust system mods or loaded a new tune or whatever--and you want it to go ahead and adapt without waiting to compare sensor input vs performance experimentally during operation.

In other words, the "12 minute tune" can't do anything for you beyond what normal operational adaptation will do, but it will cause it to happen sooner, at the time of your choosing--if there's any need for an adaptation at all. It's not anything that needs to be performed periodically.
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Old 10-02-2009, 12:27 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Thats what i got from what I heard from my mech, but it wasn't described well enough to be sure i understood correctly. Thanks.
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Old 10-05-2009, 08:26 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I personally do the 12 minute tune anytime I change something.
Put on 3 K&N's, do a 12 minute tune.
Add or remove PC3, 12 minute tune.
Install a different baffle....
you get the picture.
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OK guys so now I know what a 12 min tune up will do, but I still do not know how I do it & what gear vdo I need to carry it out.
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You just start the bike from cold w/o touching the throttle. Let it idle, and after the fan finally comes on, let it idle a further 12 minutes. thats it. Only tools needed: one finger to push the started button.
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Thanks for that, sounds simple enough even for me to do & not as expensive as it might have been, might even be able to afford it.
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yea, thats it. and it's usually about a 20 minute process.
8 minutes TILL the fan comes on, and 12 minutes after that.
Sometimes I'll let it go for 14 just to make sure, but 12 will do it.
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