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Old 12-27-2008, 03:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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ABS on a Rocket?

Getting ever closer to my Rocket...

I read somewhere that the '09 R III will have available ABS, but I don't see anything on their site about it.
Any truth to the rumor?
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Old 12-27-2008, 07:20 AM   #2 (permalink)
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No, according to the best information I can find, not for '09.

There's a possibility that they might announce such a thing during the new year, but for 2010 or later models.
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Old 12-27-2008, 07:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
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the thunderbird is slated to have optional ABS...
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Old 12-29-2008, 12:33 PM   #4 (permalink)
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No, according to the best information I can find, not for '09.

There's a possibility that they might announce such a thing during the new year, but for 2010 or later models.

I would love here an explanation as to how such a obvious component as ABS brakes in the Cruiser/Tourer market could have been so completely over looked.

But some how they put ABS on other bike in the line up

Not to mention NO Cruise Control on there top of the line Cruiser

All I can say is that must have been some party the night before the drawing board session
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Old 12-29-2008, 04:26 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Perhaps they haven't figured it out yet. Do we want ABS or integrated or partially integrated ABS? I read a review of BMW ABS that complained that it engaged with too little pressure and that this interfered with handling in turns.
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Old 12-29-2008, 05:57 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I would love here an explanation as to how such a obvious component as ABS brakes in the Cruiser/Tourer market could have been so completely over looked.
Same reasons they're not available on all models of everyone else's bikes either.

It's still a relatively new technology for two wheels. Consistent, dependable behavior on a bike is more critical than if you have four wheels under you. As dougl noted, even the "big guys" have trouble with that sometimes...not just BMW, but also Honda, if I recall correctly from a couple of years back.

You can't just buy ABS hardware off the shelf, ready-made, one size fits all, either. It takes a bit of customization, and that requires R&D, and that means you're going to have to expect to sell enough of them to make that investment back. The Sprint and Tiger are substantially the same chassis, so one ABS can work on both with a bit of tweaking to account for suspension differences. Together, those two models sell somewhere around four times as many units each year as the Rocket family does. It's just barely viable on them from a dollar standpoint, and it's only been the last year or two that they've even made it available on those two models.

Those two models are also mid-size and middle weight, so it's somewhat easier to achieve the necessary precision there. On a very light bike like the Street Triple, to cite one extreme example, the problem is that the total bike+rider mass can vary so widely from ride to ride that it's hard for the antilock braking system to adapt. (Not to mention that model's sportbike ancestry, and neither sportbike riders nor hooligans particularly like anything interfering with their feel of the machine. Even though the Speed Triple is the same basic platform as the Sprint and Tiger, you'll notice they have not offered ABS on it yet, either.)

At the other end of the spectrum, namely the Rocket, there's an awful lot of energy to dissipate during most any braking action. Reliability becomes extra critical. Can you imagine being used to braking hard all the time to take advantage of the ABS, and then suddenly having it default to non-antilock mode right when you need it most? Locking up the rear wheel is kind of a thrill on the Rocket!

Then, too, Triumph have never tried to be the most modern at everything. The basic, no-nonsense nature of British bikes is part of their appeal. They make a decent effort to keep up with the times--Triumphs don't leak oil any more, start consistently, last for ages, etc.--but they make no pretense of being on the cutting edge of technology. Since there are so many other bikes in the world that don't have ABS yet either, I doubt that there was ever any feverish discussion in the design department about keeping up with the Joneses.

Now, the mandatory disclaimer for any nitpicky types who sometimes lurk among us and enjoy arguing about things no one has said: I'm not saying ABS is a bad idea in general; just answering the request for an explanation of why Triumph hasn't made it available on all models yet. These are some of the fairly good reasons why Triumph hasn't jumped on the ABS bandwagon willy-nilly. In point of fact, I wouldn't mind having ABS myself on some types of bike, maybe even the Rocket--but only after I'm darned sure they've got it right!
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Old 12-29-2008, 08:24 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I would love here an explanation as to how such a obvious component as ABS brakes in the Cruiser/Tourer market could have been so completely over looked.

But some how they put ABS on other bike in the line up

Not to mention NO Cruise Control on there top of the line Cruiser

All I can say is that must have been some party the night before the drawing board session


Ok what factory bikes come with cruise control that are not the Luxury barges?
I know that Goldwing? Electra Slide? Yam Venture? some BMWs? might come with it.

Hmmm Rocket looks nothing like any of these, so apparently they are not competing with that market.. Pretty sure they intended to keep it stripped down as possible and sell you what accessorries they do make...

not trying to bust your bubble, but I hate when people do they...geez why doesnt it come with xxx and its not even soemthign other similars bikes come with..

ABS I can almost see as a legitimate grip, caus ea lot more bikes accross the range have it...

although Sport bikes are slow to get it as well..
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Old 12-29-2008, 11:30 PM   #8 (permalink)
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That's a whole lot of answer.
I'm getting one either way, so if it doesn't have ABS I won't let that stop me.
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Old 12-30-2008, 09:33 AM   #9 (permalink)
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It's just barely viable on them from a dollar standpoint, and it's only been the last year or two that they've even made it available on those two models.

I'm not sure about the Tiger, but the Sprint has had ABS since 2005. I have it on my 2008 and am very impressed with how nicely the bike stops on wet pavement! Straight and stable everytime!
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Old 12-30-2008, 09:41 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Same reasons they're not available on all models of everyone else's bikes either.
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Well that was as good an answer as any I suppose, however Lurking ,Nit Picky is a bit un called for but thanks for the responce
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