Triumphrat

johnnycactus · 05-31-2006

well it seems through all the help from you decent peeps on the forum that i need a different speedo cable!
(see previous cable routing post!)

from what i can gather there were two types of speedo cable for the early triples- one with straight end going into speedo, and one with angled end.
angled end appears to be the shorter, so 'old' style straight end is required.
i don't know when they changed, and jack lilley can't help.
they seem surprised that the daytona one doesn't fit.

they also can't provide lengths.

anyone got any part numbers?

cheers all!

05-31-2006

My Trident fiche shows an illustration of a straight cable, part number 2040033-T0301.

I strongly suspect that at least one model of KZ/Z Kawasaki uses the same cable, but I haven't been able to test my theory. If there's a Kawi dealer near you, it might be worthwhile to bring the angled cable in & tell 'em you need something straight & a couple inches longer. If you go that route, please let us know which one you get! Aftermarket speedo cables for KZs run about a third the price of Triumph speedo cables...

Cheers,
-Kit

GeoffE · 05-31-2006

Hi,

I have not been following the "saga", but I have the T300 fiche for all the Sprint variants and the Speedo Cable is part# 2043510-T301 for all Sprints and is a straight fitting into the bottom of the Speedo.

I am slightly surprised it is different to the one given for a Trident above though. Interestingly my Thunderbird is 2040033 like the Trident.

I could measure it/them tomorrow (approximate measurements that is), if that would help?

Ciao,
Geoff
:wink:

[ This message was edited by: GeoffE on 2006-05-31 13:21 ]

johnnycactus · 05-31-2006

length of cable with part no. would be a massive help!!!

i too am amazed about the differences in cables- i just assumed that we would be looking at a stock cable for all as there isn't a massive difference in the front end of these bikes!

i suspect that the sprint/daytona etc have their instrument cluster further forward and lower than the sp3/tbird/tri who have their clocks mounted higher and on the yoke.

the dealers i have talked too so far have not been able to help- in their defense its a pretty weird request, plus i guess cable lengths are not provided on the parts list.

kawasaki peterborough is near me, so i may give 'em a whirl.

incidently- i do not have an angled cable- its straight. the strange thing is i got a 96 sp3 cable from someone- and its exactly the same length!!!?

this is really frying my little brain.

[ This message was edited by: johnnycactus on 2006-05-31 22:44 ]

GeoffE · 06-01-2006

Hi,

Both my Sprint and the Thunderbird speedo cables measure 38.5" and visually look the same to me. The measuements were taken with the parts still fitted and measured from the top of the thumbscrew ring fixing at the speedo end, and to the end of the outer covering as it meets the plastic fixing at the drive end. [The Thunderbird's drive is on the left-side of the wheel, whereas the Sprint's is on the right, but the Trident's drive is on the right too].

I wonder if the difference in (T-Bird/Sprint) part numbers is just down to a change in supplier at the time of producing the fiche? I've noticed this on a couple of other parts (e.g. Coils).

Let me know if I can help more. I am not entirely sure I understand the changes you have made and which model you are using as a basis (e.g. a Daytona, but which year [3-spoke or 6-spoke wheels]?, instruments & headlight from a T300 Speed Triple? US or UK S3 top yoke & bars?). Apologies if I have missed this in an earlier post? Fyi, I have collected a few Trident/SpeedTriple bits myself with the idea of perhaps running my Sprint "naked" one day.

Ciao,
Geoff
:wink:

johnnycactus · 06-02-2006

Hi Geoff,

well, basically its a 94 Daytona 900- 3 spoke wheels.
I have put a 96 speed triple top/bottom yoke on, mounted 96 speed triple clocks (keeping daytona speedo and tacho) and 95 speed triple headlight and brackets.

I also put in a speed triple wiring loom- i didn't want to butcher the daytona loom to try and convert it to single headlight, and fit it all in the headlight shell!!!

(is there a difference between uk and us yoke and bars then?)

standard sp3 clip ons- due to the daytona clip ons having the lug to bolt them to the underside of the yoke. it was too much of a tight fit - if i have to hammer something on, i don't do it!!!!
plus the d900 clip ons were very close to tank, so got some pattern ones from sprint manu. ironically they have same clearance!!!

i can say if i was to do it again, using trident parts may be alot eaiser for the naked effect. where as the speed triple instrument cluster needs top and bottom yokes from to mount to (rake is different as i found when trying to use just the top sp3 yoke.) the trident clocks mount with a bracket to the ignition barrel. easy if you have those security bolts out!
you can retain existing yokes/bars etc.
i do prefer the look of the triples clocks though... :razz:

i suspect a change in the supplier would account for changes in part no. makes it very difficult when we tinker with the designs!!! heh heh.

GeoffE · 06-10-2006

Hi Johnny,

Thank you for all the details about your 'project'. Seeing your information has started me thinking about 'giving it a try' over the winter. (I do like a 'project').

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Is there a difference between UK and US yoke and bars?

Yes, the UK model has clip-ons, while the US model has 'Superbike Bars'. I think the offering from Jack Lilley (see this link - Superbike handlebar top yoke conversion Speed Triple) may well be the US Spec parts?
I would guess the US Spec may well have the "lower" footpeg mounting? My Sprint has the footpegs in the bottom hole, whereas the S3 (and Daytona?) uses a higher hole on the control plate together with different length rods to the brake and gear shaft.

Quote:

I have put a 96 speed triple top/bottom yoke on, mounted 96 speed triple clocks (keeping daytona speedo and tacho) and 95 speed triple headlight and brackets.

My box of bits has a S3 UK top yoke (it is alot different, isn't it) and clip-on bars. I am surprised the bottom yoke is different and wonder about my Sprint bottom yoke?
I have a LSL Superbike bar mounting, off of an old Trophy (appears to fit the Sprint top yoke), and may well use this rather than the clip-ons.
I also have a Trident headlight/mounting ears and instrument cluster to use (although the S3 instruments, like those on my Thunderbird, are much neater).
The S3 shrouds/headlight ears, in the box, are messy and I think the Trident arrangement is like the Thunderbird and neater - but may well give a different height to the headlight?

Quote:

I also put in a speed triple wiring loom- i didn't want to butcher the Daytona loom to try and convert it to single headlight, and fit it all in the headlight shell!!!

Interesting. I had not given this any thought. I guess the S3 's loom is like the Thunderbirds and the main harness reaches into the Headlight bowl, and so needs to flex? I guess the Daytona is the same as the Sprint where the main harness stops at the Fairing Mounting, and then there are flexing sub-looms to the ignition and bar switch units? (I have a S3 harness in my box of bits, and need to take a closer look). I wonder if the single rectangular headlight'ed Trophy had a suitable sub-loom to the headlight? This would avoid cutting or switching to a S3 harness.

Thanks, you have given me a few things to follow up upon, before Winter.

Finally, did you sort out your Speedo cable?

Ciao,
Geoff
:wink:

johnnycactus · 06-11-2006

hi geoff,
glad i could offer a few pointers. the change has been a frustrating but enjoyable and satisfiying project. i would recommend anyone doing it to take a deep breath and jump in!!!
in retrospect an arm load of fiches would have enabled me to work out every change/nut and bolt on paper first, but the discovery was part of the fun!!!

i didn't realise the us models came with the super bike bar set up. i had assumed it was an aftermarket mod?

as for the bottom yoke, i would hazard a guess that you would need a triple bottom yoke. they are only out by a fraction, but the triple had a steeper fork rake.

good news is i have one if you are interested. other interesting bit is i am looking for a trident instrument cluster...
maybe if you wanted to work something out...? i'm in cambridge- london isn't far.

i'm always keen to chew the fat with other t3 owners, especially with similar mods/projects on the go!

i'm also guessing, from looking at the wiring diagrams that the sprint shares the same set up as the daytona with regards to the headlight sub loom. it may well be possible to seperate it from the connection and get one off a single h/light trophy.

this is where the little changes either help or hinder! i found a triple loom cheap, so thought it just as easy to install that (not to difficult but a long time and paitience!!)
i then found the sub loom for the warning lights wouldn't work with the daytona clocks (different connections bulb sizes etc) so i used the daytona wiring, removed the temp gauge and made a seperate piece of wiring that encompassed the additinal warning bulb and sensor and plugged in where the gauge was. bingo!

as for the speedo cable haven't got it yet- had a wee problem with the cooling system. fan didn't seem to be kicking in, engine very hot and coolant bubbling in the radiator. tested fan etc all ok. guessed it was the fan switch or sender unit. cleaned up the contacts and seems to be good. now! will probably get some to have a thorough look over it.

also got married and off on honeymoon for two weeks now, so its been a bit hectic! will get speedo sorted on my return!

keep me posted on what you are up to, as i said always enjoy yapping about the bikes!!!

GeoffE · 06-12-2006

Hi Johnny,

Sounds like you will be busy for the next couple of weeks (and a lifetime!).

Congratulations to you and the other co-owner of your Triumph. Many happy years of ownership!

(I need to have a good look at my 'box of bits', and will do this while you are away).

Congratulations!

Geoff

johnnycactus · 06-25-2006

ha ha
hi geoff,

great picture, thanks!
(steady on the whole co-owner thing though...gulp...!)

just got back- severe jet lag and not making much sense.
just skimming the topics at playing catch up.

can't wait to get out on the ol mean machine.
may give it a few hours until i'm in full control of my actions!!!