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Old 09-22-2005, 10:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Triple 900's comment about the difference between MOBIL1 for cars and MOBIL1 for bikes (see Aaargh, lost rear caliper bolt) has my curiosity piqued once more (especially now that I am using the car stuff, apparently with no ill effects). I looked up Mobil's FAQ on this subject and am pasting it below. What do y'all think? Are they hoodwinking us with an "eminence front"? Are they putting us on?


FAQs for Motorcycle Oil



So how is Mobil 1 for passenger cars different from Mobil 1 for motorcycles?

What are the overall advantages of Mobil 1 motorcycle oils?

Okay. Let's start with Mobil 1 MX4T. What does it offer that Mobil 1 for cars does not?

What about Mobil 1 V-Twin oil? How is that different from Mobil 1 for passenger cars?

The owner's manual says I should change the oil every 5,000 miles or once a year. I change my oil every 2,500 miles or twice a year. So why do I need that kind of protection?




So how is Mobil 1 for passenger cars different from Mobil 1 for motorcycles?

First, let's be clear about Mobil 1's overall benefits compared to those of conventional motor oils, whether for passenger cars or motorcycles:

Superior long-term engine protection.

Superior high-temperature stability.

Excellent low-temperature starting.

Outstanding engine performance.

Low volatility/low oil consumption

It's a little hard to generalize about the difference between Mobil 1 passenger-car motor oils and Mobil 1 motorcycle oils. That's because not all viscosities of Mobil 1 passenger-car oils have the same levels of zinc and phosphorus, and there are even greater differences among the three Mobil 1 motorcycle oils. In general, Mobil 1 motorcycle oils have:

Additive packages balanced differently for motorcycle engine and transmission operation. For passenger vehicles, fuel economy and emission system protection are higher priorities. These require low phosphorus systems and the use of friction modifiers.



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What are the overall advantages of Mobil 1 motorcycle oils?

In addition to the overall benefits listed above – specifically, high-temperature stability and low volatility/low oil consumption – Mobil 1 synthetic motorcycle oils also offer superior anti-corrosion performance compared to conventional motor oil, which is important in many parts of the country where bikes may sit in garages for several months of the year.

Compared to conventional oils, Mobil 1 motorcycle oils provide superior wear and high-temperature protection, and promote engine cleanliness and lower oil consumption.

Once you get past these general advantages, you have to deal with each specific motorcycle oil one at a time to understand the benefits.



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Okay. Let's start with Mobil 1 MX4T. What does it offer that Mobil 1 for cars does not?

Mobil 1 MX4T is designed for sport bikes. Most of these bikes have multi-cylinder/multi-valve engines and use a common sump, which means the engine oil lubricates the engine, transmission and wet clutch. So unlike Mobil 1 for cars, Mobil 1 MX4T has no friction modifiers, which could lead to clutch slippage.

The motorcycle oil also has more phosphorus/zinc for enhanced wear protection at high engine speeds and high loads.

In addition, Mobil 1 MX4T uses different dispersant/detergent technology for better high-temperature performance and engine cleanliness. Mobil 1 MX4T is also offered in a different viscosity grade than Mobil 1 for passenger cars.


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What about Mobil 1 V-Twin oil? How is that different from Mobil 1 for passenger cars?

Mobil 1 V-Twin oil is designed for air-cooled, large-displacement bikes. Because of their design, these engines can generate very high localized oil temperatures and high overall bulk-oil temperatures.

As you know, a typical air-cooled V-twin's rear cylinder gets a lot hotter than the front cylinder – it's a matter of airflow. When it's hot out and you're stuck in traffic, the oil temperature in your bike climbs rapidly. Above about 250°F, conventional motor oil is going to break down. Mobil 1 V-Twin synthetic oil is good to above 300F.

Like Mobil 1 MX4T, Mobil 1 V-Twin has high levels of phosphorus/zinc and the same high-temperature detergent technology for superior wear protection and engine cleanliness, even at elevated oil temperatures.

With Mobil 1 V-Twin oil, you can go the full length of the manufacturer's recommended oil change intervals with ease.


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The owner's manual says I should change the oil every 5,000 miles or once a year. I change my oil every 2,500 miles or twice a year. So why do I need that kind of protection?

For peace of mind and added protection. You pay a lot for a bike these days, so why risk running your engine in ordinary oil? Just like Mobil 1 synthetic oil for cars, Mobil 1 synthetic motorcycle oil helps keep your engine clean – free from varnish and deposits – and smooth running mile after mile, no matter what conditions you ride in.

Mobil 1 benefits engine life and performance. In fact, the lubrication capability of Mobil 1 motorcycle oil helps maintain peak horsepower and acceleration throughout the life of your engine. And with Mobil 1 you can go the full 5,000 miles between oil changes.

So, if you want to ride your bike long and hard and not be concerned about the oil, choose Mobil 1 motorcycle oil.


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There's a certain amount of advertising hype there, of course, but basically the discussion of differences between the Mobil 1 car and motorcycle oils is sound.
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Notice though that there is a lot of "compared to conventional motor oils" in there, which is just stating that synthetics do some things better than dino oils. We know that. You can also never get a straight comparison between specific car and M/C oils...they prefer things like "not all grades of passenger car oils have...".

They make obtuse reference to 2 things that are potentially relevant: no friction modifiers and higher levels of zinc and phosphorous. To these points:

1. Friction modifiers are heavily used in "energy conserving" oils that car manufacturers spec to improve their performance on CAFE. These are generally 0Wand 5W oils, though many 10W-30's have it too. You've noticed that all newer cars spec very light grade oils (5W-30 or lighter) -- this is a CAFE thing. I've never seen a grade that someone might spec for a bike labeled 'energy conserving'.

2. The Zinc and Phos difference is rapidly going away I think. The issue is that high levels are not good for catalytic converters...and guess what? A lot of new bikes have cat's too.

For anyone who wants to read a pretty exhaustive piece on motor oils for bikes, try All About Motor Oil.

I personally use Shell Rotella T Synthetic -- it stacks up extremely well with the MX4T imo. I would not hesitate to use Mobil 1 15W-50 for cars either.
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WOW!! The info in that hyperlink made for quite a read. That is the kind of stuff I was hoping for. I love this forum.
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WOW!! The info in that hyperlink made for quite a read. That is the kind of stuff I was hoping for. I love this forum.
Yeah -- it would bore most people to tears, but it's great for analytical gearhead types...
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Ezride, thanks for posting that link. Lots of real information in there. I'm not sure I entirely share his fascination for the extra goodies in diesel-rated oils, as most of us don't put enough demand on our oil to need them, but it's a highly factual piece with logically sound explanations of concepts that otherwise are pretty dense to most of us.
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Here is the earlier thread on oil
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