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Old 12-04-2012, 06:10 PM   #31 (permalink)
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That is .03 lbs lighter than the "old" stock Street Triple, 13.67 lbs heavier than the '13 Street Triple, only 49.33 lbs lighter than a stock late model Speed Triple, and a whole lot heavier than my little old 2010 ST3R

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Like I said in a previous post if you want very light weight and high hp it will cost you; that 800 MV is $14,500 base price so comparing it to a $9000 Street Triple with standard suspension and 175 fewer cc is rather unfair. Why bother with the naked 800 MV if you want high power, light weight and fine handling? -get the Daytona R (which gets nothing but rave reviews) for around the same price, and is set up for high speed handling. There is always a faster better handling bike, but how much are you willing to pay? - Wayne

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If I could, I would pony up the cash for this MV. I hope the Rivale 800, produces the same performance.

The thing that scares me; is if too many new riders read the part that this is a bike for experienced riders, they will just have to have one. There is a good dealership near me that sells MV's and so access to the bikes and service is right there.
I have met 3 new, never been on a sport bike, new to MC's, riders this year that have scared the crap out of me.
One has a Ducati, Penigale, another has a Kawasaki, X14, and the last guy bought a Yamaha, R1.
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I wouldnt compare the B800 to the 675, rather the Speed Triple based on performance and ergos. It isnt priced any higher than the S3R, its just leaner, for the same price. I personally wouldnt scoff at 55 pounds of weight loss. My 2011 S3 weighs 471 according to everything I have read. Kudos to MV, should be an exciting toy.
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January's issue of Motorcyclist magazine (I like to quote these professionals to back me up) had a Speed Triple R vs MV Augusta Brutale 1090R (4 cylinder) comparison. Yes, the MV 1090 had a bit stronger engine at high revs but they ended by saying 'Triumph's Speed Triple R isn't just a kick-ass exhibitionist machine, it's one of the best all-around street-bikes you can buy.' As for the MV 800 it is a fine machine (the Italians know how to build motorcycles) but one should expect a harder sport-oriented ride along with the higher price. - Wayne
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In this economy, one should be careful of MV's ability to refine, produce & service.

As mentioned in an article in Hell for Leather, "...the lingering delays with full production of the F3 and its naked Brutale twin feed unpleasant rumours about the financial viability of the enterprise. Journalists I spoke with reported finish quality irregularities, a tell tale sign of rushed or incomplete R&D. For any company cash flow is the most important thing, and for a motorcycle company that means getting out there and selling hardware. Recent history indicates that Italian boutique brands are not terribly good at delivering complete products before they are ready, which doesn’t bode well for MV."

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Old 08-24-2014, 01:28 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Sure, this thread is 18 months old, but, I gotta weigh in here! Yes, a few years ago, there wasn't a Yamaha FZ-09 with 847cc's in a triple. There wasn't an 800cc MV Agusta Brutale available either. And, it seems that the 'new' midsize bike is 800cc's- is anyone else seeing the trend here?

Whether it's an inline 4, or a V-Twin, or, a triple- 800cc's is the industries hottest motor size, meeting the Goldilock's dream of: Not too big, so, I'm overwhelmed, and, 600cc- too small, and, I'm bouncing off of the rev limiter all the time? I think I could string together all of the YT video's where some motojournalist says, 800cc it's jusssst right!

The Speed Triple is past due for an overhaul, diet & re-pricing based on market forces. The Street triple just hit it's fighting weight at a real 400 Lbs with very small modifications: Lithium Battery + Arrow slip on (-2 Lbs), eliminate the rear pillion pegs (user choice) & do the 'free' tail tidy for the last few ounces. But, the addition of that really tall 1st gear will definitely impact sales over time since it keeps the motor on power below the 4,000 RPM threshold needed to eliminate the vibrating grating point for too long. I'm guessing that the 2015's will see a shorter 1st- maybe not Hooligan approved, but, enough to hoist the front probably.

As of now, Triumph needs a 800cc streetfighter, that weighs in about the same as the current StripleR, or, they run the risk of falling behind, when for years- they have been the market leader! Yes, I'm happy with my '14 STripleR 675 for $10,400 out the door, but, I have to be honest. The Yamaha FZ-09 was a very close 2nd. If the handling was even a little better (bottoming out the front forks on a test ride is not a good sign), I would have saved $2,000- in a heart beat. Not to mention, I've owned Yamaha's in the past, without a problem to speak of over many miles...

Now, if I have the same quality of ownership experience with this Triumph, as I've had with Yamaha, I will be convinced. But, what to buy when I'm all done with the power of the 675? I have no where to go as of now. Like many owers, I have a family bike, a grocery getter that I can take the kids, or wife, on, or ride to the ocean, or nearest mountain, or lake. It seems that many (possibly over 50%) of current owners have a 2nd bike that meets other riding needs: mud wrestling dirt bike, cruiser, or, vintage classic if that's what works for them. So, in an interest in keeping loyal owners happy, Triumph should now see the need to 'add' an 800cc streetfighter to the mix.

From what I've seen on the Tiger, it has a ton of torque, and, excellent fuelling from idle to redline. Properly tuned for a streetfighter role, with larger pipes, hotter cams and mid range mapping, it would be a natural move for a satisfied 675 owner, as well as drawing in other, new Triumph loyalists from other brands. In the US, Naked bikes are not very popular, and, tend to do well in smaller groupings of riders, because, well- they aren't H-D's or rice rockets, which define 2 very clear markets. I can't tell you how disappointed I am that the new Kawasaki Z800 isn't here (can't see it coming either), because that is a very nice, refined, inline 4 with a great suspension, awesome brakes & it's good looking to boot!

I'll let Triumph figure out what to call this middle child, but, to be clear NOW is the time to design/build it. Not in 3 years, when the market has moved to the 900cc engine as the then current darling... They have everything they need already, a capable engine, a design team that has wrestled with a re-design of the frame on the Street Triple, so, they already know what the possible issues are. Finally, a counter-rotating crank & flywheel, ala F3, and, a revised firing order to increase torque, ala Yamaha FZ-09, a wet weight target of 400Lbs out the door, with a full tank of gas, and even a 42MPG goal could be achieved, with a 5 gallon tank, giving it real range. Like I said, the engineering team has just been through it, so, they have solutions currently that work.

And, while they are 'creating' it, they can install Traction Control, and, a Wet mode, with less power and a longer throttle tip in to add speed. A fresh chance to re-mold a middle child, maybe with some added features for more seasoned, mature riders. All for around $11,000 for the 'R' version, a little more than the 675, a little less than the Speed Triple. And, while they are having a 'do over' on the Speed Triple, they can add cruise control, as well as a few levels of traction control, perhaps a few engine modes as well. City/Wet/Sport would do it, with city & sport getting all the power, and, wet getting a little less. Is it me, or, is the Speed Triple a really good basis for a naked sport touring platform? Finally, what would be so bad about all of the bikes having a USB power outlet, somewhere near the front of the bike? It seems like a low cost no brainer to me?
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Sure, this thread is 18 months old, but, I gotta weigh in here! Yes, a few years ago, there wasn't a Yamaha FZ-09 with 847cc's in a triple. There wasn't an 800cc MV Agusta Brutale available either. And, it seems that the 'new' midsize bike is 800cc's- is anyone else seeing the trend here?

Whether it's an inline 4, or a V-Twin, or, a triple- 800cc's is the industries hottest motor size, meeting the Goldilock's dream of: Not too big, so, I'm overwhelmed, and, 600cc- too small, and, I'm bouncing off of the rev limiter all the time? I think I could string together all of the YT video's where some motojournalist says, 800cc it's jusssst right!

The Speed Triple is past due for an overhaul, diet & re-pricing based on market forces. The Street triple just hit it's fighting weight at a real 400 Lbs with very small modifications: Lithium Battery + Arrow slip on (-2 Lbs), eliminate the rear pillion pegs (user choice) & do the 'free' tail tidy for the last few ounces. But, the addition of that really tall 1st gear will definitely impact sales over time since it keeps the motor on power below the 4,000 RPM threshold needed to eliminate the vibrating grating point for too long. I'm guessing that the 2015's will see a shorter 1st- maybe not Hooligan approved, but, enough to hoist the front probably.

As of now, Triumph needs a 800cc streetfighter, that weighs in about the same as the current StripleR, or, they run the risk of falling behind, when for years- they have been the market leader! Yes, I'm happy with my '14 STripleR 675 for $10,400 out the door, but, I have to be honest. The Yamaha FZ-09 was a very close 2nd. If the handling was even a little better (bottoming out the front forks on a test ride is not a good sign), I would have saved $2,000- in a heart beat. Not to mention, I've owned Yamaha's in the past, without a problem to speak of over many miles...

Now, if I have the same quality of ownership experience with this Triumph, as I've had with Yamaha, I will be convinced. But, what to buy when I'm all done with the power of the 675? I have no where to go as of now. Like many owers, I have a family bike, a grocery getter that I can take the kids, or wife, on, or ride to the ocean, or nearest mountain, or lake. It seems that many (possibly over 50%) of current owners have a 2nd bike that meets other riding needs: mud wrestling dirt bike, cruiser, or, vintage classic if that's what works for them. So, in an interest in keeping loyal owners happy, Triumph should now see the need to 'add' an 800cc streetfighter to the mix.

From what I've seen on the Tiger, it has a ton of torque, and, excellent fuelling from idle to redline. Properly tuned for a streetfighter role, with larger pipes, hotter cams and mid range mapping, it would be a natural move for a satisfied 675 owner, as well as drawing in other, new Triumph loyalists from other brands. In the US, Naked bikes are not very popular, and, tend to do well in smaller groupings of riders, because, well- they aren't H-D's or rice rockets, which define 2 very clear markets. I can't tell you how disappointed I am that the new Kawasaki Z800 isn't here (can't see it coming either), because that is a very nice, refined, inline 4 with a great suspension, awesome brakes & it's good looking to boot!

I'll let Triumph figure out what to call this middle child, but, to be clear NOW is the time to design/build it. Not in 3 years, when the market has moved to the 900cc engine as the then current darling... They have everything they need already, a capable engine, a design team that has wrestled with a re-design of the frame on the Street Triple, so, they already know what the possible issues are. Finally, a counter-rotating crank & flywheel, ala F3, and, a revised firing order to increase torque, ala Yamaha FZ-09, a wet weight target of 400Lbs out the door, with a full tank of gas, and even a 42MPG goal could be achieved, with a 5 gallon tank, giving it real range. Like I said, the engineering team has just been through it, so, they have solutions currently that work.

And, while they are 'creating' it, they can install Traction Control, and, a Wet mode, with less power and a longer throttle tip in to add speed. A fresh chance to re-mold a middle child, maybe with some added features for more seasoned, mature riders. All for around $11,000 for the 'R' version, a little more than the 675, a little less than the Speed Triple. And, while they are having a 'do over' on the Speed Triple, they can add cruise control, as well as a few levels of traction control, perhaps a few engine modes as well. City/Wet/Sport would do it, with city & sport getting all the power, and, wet getting a little less. Is it me, or, is the Speed Triple a really good basis for a naked sport touring platform? Finally, what would be so bad about all of the bikes having a USB power outlet, somewhere near the front of the bike? It seems like a low cost no brainer to me?
I like the idea of a 125hp area 800cc street triple but please save all the electronics for the family sedan!
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Well, let's agree to disagree. I HATE electronics that 'cover', or, hide design flaws, poor factory set-ups and the like. Thankfully, fuelling, braking & suspension on the STriple & R's is unbelieveably good, but, I can't imagine that a well designed TC would upset me? Or, how about a few levels of ABS. I would be more inclined to use ABS, if I could make it lock up only? I specifically practice threshold braking for safety

Because the 675 motor & fuelling is so good, there is little need for ride modes. The low RPM range has no surging & has smooth fuel delivery, so, it's awesome in low traction situations- like rain. Same situation for 'city' or 'sport'- the fuelling is so good- in all RPM ranges, there is just no need for them!

On this 'hooligan' bike, that has literally nothing, no fork bag, so saddle bags, no fairings, no windshield... Even heated grips (season extender?) or cruise control seem like 'excess', even though practically- they would be a nice addition for commuters, or, distance riders. As a new owner, who could see himself doing a IronButt SaddleSore 1,000 on this bike, or, at least a couple of hundred miles a day over a long weekend- cruise control would be a definite bonus. Heated grips are nice- they are available as an OEM accessory, if I really, really want them.

But, I could definitely see a 800cc Street Triple to 'fill out' the Hooligan line. The Speed Triple- once re-worked with a much lower weight (say, 435 Lbs?), and, re-priced to reflect the market changes, almost demands some electronic enhancements: (3)drive modes (3) levels of TC that also impacts ABS intervention, cruise control- if only to remain market competitive. I don't have enough seat time to know if the engine is as 'perfect' as the 675 is- right out of the box. If it's too torquey in the bottom, due to it's new low weight, the opportunity exists for drive modes immediately. A ew owner would begin using the 'wet' ride mode, so, they could learn the quirks, strengths & weaknesses of their new bike. Standard would be a full power mode & 'Sport' would advance timing, increase fuel at throttle 'tip in' along with a few other electronic tweaks that increased overall responsiveness.

An "All New" 800cc model, using some of what other manufacturers have brought to the table MV Agusta's reversed Crank to eliminate spin issues, along with Yamaha's changed firing order, which increases mid-range torque is another opportunity to add to the existing engine. Rev's could be increased with a few enhancements: light weight, balanced & shotpeened connecting rods, a better balanced crankshaft, lightweight pistons with oversized wrist pins to center the mass... I think the max RPM on the Tiger 800 is @ 9 or 10,000, which is plenty, but, with a small amount of internal change can be increased, allowing for more: Hp & torque, spread out further to boot. The "new" model allows for new things to be added- TC, ride modes, variable ABS, cruise control, and, a few items can be made standard: heated grips, outside temp... a new larger digital display to make information more visible to the visually handicapped.

Any 'improvements' made on this new bike, can be integrated into other bikes- not just in the sport & touring lines, but, even in the cruisers. Just not the classics...
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