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Old 07-16-2011, 01:22 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I can't ride my Striple as fast/good as my sport touring bike...

First off, its technically my wifes bike, but i ride it alot more than her. She wanted white so we didnt get the R version.

Trying to figure out what i can do to get teh kind of corning ability i have on my 590lb VFR1200. Both bikes have the same tires. bt016.




Problems could be:

1. Me
2. Suspension
3. Handle bars/peg position too relaxed
4. Steering damper needed
5. Tire pressure

Example, i take this same clover leaf to work every day and i can take it at 70mph no prob on my viffer. I struggle to break 60 mph on the striple.

It just feels like its all over the place and i dont get an confident line out of it (hence why i dont get past 60mph). My VFR feels like its on rails.

Easy fixes, play with tire pressure. Im currently running basically the recomended pressures in teh book, 36 front, 41 in back.

Steering damper to help keep it from being so squirrly

More aggressive handlebars, to get more weight down on the front wheel. Its feels rather light up front. Maybe the wide handlebars are also allowing for too much feedback and screwing with my lines...

Better suspension? Im 210lbs, maybe this suspension is set for a much lighter rider?

Or maybe im just doing it wrong? trying to lean like i do on a traditional bike with clipons?

Honestly i thought this bike would tool my viffer (60 inch wheelbase too!) but its just not happenning.

Maybe on a track with sub 15mph corners in stuff and perfect roads it would, but not on the street...

Thoughts?


^^^ This is me riding my viffer, and the type of roads i generally ride on. Ive never done track but i have 3 years and bout 35,000 miles of exp. On the street triple i have a hard time keeping up with my brothers ducati streetfighter. Vfr1200 no prob...

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Old 07-16-2011, 02:49 AM   #2 (permalink)
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One variable is surely the suspension. You probably would have to crank the preload nuts on the rear shock down about 1/2 inch for your weight.... but then its off for your wife. By memory, the proper sag for street riding is slightly less than 40 mm. Thats fully unloaded (wheel hanging from frame) to upright with rider. The fronts are not adjustable so ????

Riders position in corners has a large effect on these light bikes. Are you leading with head and shoulders?.... don't be more upright than the bike.
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Old 07-16-2011, 05:10 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I suspect that apart from suspension tuning the main issue is just getting used to the feel with so much less weight. Give it time.

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Old 07-16-2011, 08:07 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Would it be fair to assume that although the ST is lighter than your VFR, the weight is distributed higher up because of the high mounted cans? The VFR might have a lower centre of gravity which makes it a bit more confidence inspiring. Maybe someone who has ridden an ST with both the high-mount and low-boy setups can offer a bit of insight into this.

I think the handlebars also play a part. The lower bars on your VFR makes it easier to put more of your weight over the front wheel, giving it a more planted feel.
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Old 07-16-2011, 09:06 AM   #5 (permalink)
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One variable is surely the suspension. You probably would have to crank the preload nuts on the rear shock down about 1/2 inch for your weight.... but then its off for your wife. By memory, the proper sag for street riding is slightly less than 40 mm. Thats fully unloaded (wheel hanging from frame) to upright with rider. The fronts are not adjustable so ????

Riders position in corners has a large effect on these light bikes. Are you leading with head and shoulders?.... don't be more upright than the bike.
Yea suspension id definetely suspect. I might just adjust the rear suspension for a day and change it back for the wife and see how it rides.

Also im 6'0 tall with long arms, so i feel like im straight up on this bike. Hanging off i got my face in the mirror in the direction im going (pretty much). I doubt its my positioning. Ive even played with motorcross style leans to see if it helps but all that did is make the front feel even lighter..

Also i find the bike is very responsive to feedback, prolly because of the weight and the wide handlebars. But yesterday i was concentrating very hard on not moving a bit in the clover leaf and it still felt unsettling. I only have 2,000 miles on the bike so im sure there is still room for improvement on me, but i still feel im reaching the bikes limit.

Also i flew over a crest pretty fast yesterday and the wheel was almost off the ground, felt really squirrely up front when it came down (almost like it was gonna initate a tank slapper). Ive had my viffer off the ground a bunch of time over crests and it felt solid the whole time.

I doubt its bad bearings on the stem since its a brand new bike....but it really feels like it needs a damper or something..

That being said, my wife absolutly loves the bike. Me, i have to try really hard to ride it good. I almost wanna get a striple r or a daytona because i absolutly love the engine. Maybe i need to test ride them both ehhe.

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Old 07-16-2011, 11:25 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Yea suspension id definetely suspect. I might just adjust the rear suspension for a day and change it back for the wife and see how it rides.

Also im 6'0 tall with long arms, so i feel like im straight up on this bike. Hanging off i got my face in the mirror in the direction im going (pretty much). I doubt its my positioning. Ive even played with motorcross style leans to see if it helps but all that did is make the front feel even lighter..

Also i find the bike is very responsive to feedback, prolly because of the weight and the wide handlebars. But yesterday i was concentrating very hard on not moving a bit in the clover leaf and it still felt unsettling. I only have 2,000 miles on the bike so im sure there is still room for improvement on me, but i still feel im reaching the bikes limit.

Also i flew over a crest pretty fast yesterday and the wheel was almost off the ground, felt really squirrely up front when it came down (almost like it was gonna initate a tank slapper). Ive had my viffer off the ground a bunch of time over crests and it felt solid the whole time.

I doubt its bad bearings on the stem since its a brand new bike....but it really feels like it needs a damper or something..

That being said, my wife absolutly loves the bike. Me, i have to try really hard to ride it good. I almost wanna get a striple r or a daytona because i absolutly love the engine. Maybe i need to test ride them both ehhe.
Sometimes the simplest explanation is most likely to be correct... maybe the VFR is just a better bike.

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Old 07-16-2011, 11:49 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I would guess suspension setup as well.

Lowering the front a few mm may help you get more weight over the font tire
That said some bikes are just not for some riders. I've had some really good bikes over the years that I was just slower on.
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Old 07-16-2011, 12:23 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I experience the same thing coming from my Ducati 748 to the R. With the Duc I could set up the corner and read the newspaper while the bike held the line. The Street wants to change with the least little imput. Drop your elbow slightly and the bike wants to turn. Not a bad thing, just something to get used to. I added some pre-load to the rear and the bike feels better in the corners. When the pace picks up I lean forward more and that helps with stability as well. Once you have experienced the difference you may have to get your own bike. Changing the setup for two riders frequently would be a pain.

Curious about your VFR as I am considering one for some sport touring. The only niggle I hear occasionally is some drive line lash. Some reviewers mention it and others don't. How have you found it?

Everytime I test ride a new bike and come back to the R I am renewed at how good this bike is. It pegs the fun factor scale.

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Old 07-16-2011, 04:32 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I experience the same thing coming from my Ducati 748 to the R. With the Duc I could set up the corner and read the newspaper while the bike held the line. The Street wants to change with the least little imput. Drop your elbow slightly and the bike wants to turn. Not a bad thing, just something to get used to. I added some pre-load to the rear and the bike feels better in the corners. When the pace picks up I lean forward more and that helps with stability as well. Once you have experienced the difference you may have to get your own bike. Changing the setup for two riders frequently would be a pain.

Curious about your VFR as I am considering one for some sport touring. The only niggle I hear occasionally is some drive line lash. Some reviewers mention it and others don't. How have you found it?

Everytime I test ride a new bike and come back to the R I am renewed at how good this bike is. It pegs the fun factor scale.

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Theres no drive lash with just me on it (210lbs). Add my gf 120lbs, theres a little lash in 1st and second. Not much tho.
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The recommended front tyre pressure for the Striple R is 34 (at least it is in my owner's book). Is the basic bike really 36?

I find my Street Triple R compares very favorably to my '09 Fireblade in the handling department. Quick on the turn-in, very stable in the turn, line modifications are easy with peg weighting. Brakes are great too.

I haven't really ridden any sports tourers so can't comment on the VFR. It's quite a heavy bike isn't it - maybe that's some of it.
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