Triumphrat

Poddy · 09-23-2007, 07:52 AM

OK,
so its not the most accurate Dyno with only two passes and I'm not sure how well it is set up but today I got it done for free and it showed 118 ponies with just the Trident set up and TOR re-map.

He did say that the bike is running rich (didn't need a Dyno to work that one, one just has to look at the pipes) and suggested that I change the air filter and go to a Power commander all up will cost about $1,000 AUD and that includes the Dyno run to get it right.

SO, what has others done?

Cheers
Poddy

RexxyPup · 09-23-2007, 05:46 PM

Sounds like a nice number of Ponies!

I would be looking at the Tuneboy rather than the Power Commander. PC frigs the fuelling signal after the ECU. TuneBoy lets you programme the ECU direct. Much more accurate. Have a look at the Tuneboy Site!

Rexx

dolson · 09-23-2007, 07:32 PM

I would seriously not consider the P/C for many reasons.

1. You are cutting into a very delicate wiring harness where the proper resistance is everything. Any cutting is an open invitation for corrosion and any corrosion of any kind will mess up the resistance by increasing it.

2. This is just a band aid that is taking the properly metered and calibrated signals from the ECU changing the signals and in essence tricking the injector shots. It is not real mapping and any setting changes made is closer to hand grenades and horse shoes than a precise map.

3. If he doesn't have a properly set up dyno, how can he properly set up your mapping?

4. They would love to sell you a P/C as they can't sell you Tune Boy.

There are many other reasons but time and space.

Wayne is right there in your country. Chat him up.

If you are going to do it do it right with true mapping and editing capabilities.

http://www.tuneboy.com.au/

I don't have anything into TuneBoy, I just feel it's the best going.
Don

wills · 09-23-2007, 08:38 PM

Here is a map written on dyno with PC. There were no wires spliced or such nonsense. This was run at 4200 feet elevation. We just wanted to see if it works and it does fine as evidenced by the proper A/F range. I would also prefer the Tuneboy but that may be next time.

dolson · 09-24-2007, 03:44 AM

Really, then how does one attach the PC? It has always been a splice in between the ECU and injectors. How does it remap the ECU? Does it read the ECU codes? Can you make infinite, repeatable adjustments at will with the ability to change mapping easily?
Can you truly adjust the ECU giving a truly custom map for your bike? Or are you still installing a band aid intercepting the proper ECU signals with canned maps?

Is it cheaper than the TuneBoy/TuneEdit programs?

Don

Poddy · 09-24-2007, 09:48 AM

Thanks guys for the info - time for me to do some research

What has been the improvement found by going with the Tuneboy etc

Cheers
Poddy

oldndumb · 09-24-2007, 10:19 AM

Poddy, not sure what you are looking for. Are you wanting more power, or are you looking to ride faster?

With all due respect, since I do not know your riding level, please do not let this suggestion offend you. The most bang for the buck in the 'riding faster' category is a good riding school and consistent practice, practice, practice.

The best bet for the 'more power' category is as Dolson said. The Tuneboy is the only thing on the market for the Sprint that provides a true tuning capability. As a bonus, there are many tried and proven maps for the Tuneboy available for downloading on other forums.

Keep your stock air filter.

ricster · 09-24-2007, 07:03 PM

I would take a course in improving ones skill to better utilize the power you have now. I have always been amazed at how people come in when im selling a porsche and they are not happy with "only 355 horsepower" but when you go for a test ride they are afraid to bring the RPM'S up over 3500...when the power is made well over 4500 rpm through redline at 6300rpm, and they wont bring the car past 80mph. Not to say your not utlizing the power now...but I think the Sprint has more than enough from stock...im just trying to get more confident in the corners myself...and at some point I might take a course on a track to better utilize what I have now....other can chime in...anyone agree/disagree?

Simmo · 09-24-2007, 10:15 PM

As Ricster says the best performance improvement is your own riding technique. Do not be afraid to investigate and look at riding schools etc. They may seem very basic but can provide you with appropriate techniques and attitudes to riding better and smoother and not crashing. Be a bit sceptical as to what type of training. Cornering schools are usually focussed only on track type conditions. Road skills focus on surviving in the road environment. At the risk of causing groans from some readers, in Aus schools like Stay Upright offer an Advanced Course which is in reality a very basic course, the content I believe would be of substantial use for all road users, car bike truck etc, on a continuing basis, say every 5 years or so. The cornering and braking course by them allows you to engage your mind in either road, fast road, or track type objectives, all being slightly different. As they say in their advertising blurbs, take the fright out of riding. It works, but 50 + year old brains take some time and repeated practice to take on new concepts and actually learn things.
For the actual performance of the bike it would be good to get it sorted and have the fuelling set up work well. The tune boy approach seems in principle to be a real good idea but as to how well the available maps work it would seem that someone should try it out and report back. Anyone got access to a good dyno and able to do a before and after and also provide some comentary.
Cheers, Simmo

MickSprint06 · 09-24-2007, 10:30 PM

123 ponies with my pipe (no, not a Trident) plus the TOR tune - and the motor was still tight.
http://picasaweb.google.com/TriumphBRG/06SprintDynoRun

I solved the rich-running somewhat by fooling around with noise plugs, on mine there was a distinct 'flat-spot' just off idle that the noise plugs fixed almost completely. Now, after getting my pipe just right the f*cking government here has introduced new and draconian noise laws specifically targeting sinners who like to 'fiddle'. My pipe is probably only one or two db louder than the TOR pipe (except at full noise) but it will be enough to get me hassled. Bugger