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Old 06-20-2007   #1 (permalink)
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I bought the bike Friday at lunch and rode it home (25 miles), to my MBA classes Saturday (60 miles round trip), to the USGP Sunday (60 miles round trip), and to work all week (50 miles round trip each day). With around 350 miles on the bike, I can say I'm more impressed by the overall package and have stopped worrying about the suspension deficiencies because they mostly disappear as long as you're smooth with your inputs. My only complaint now is that I bottom the fork during heavy braking (which has long been a hallmark of my riding style).

First, the riding position is a welcome relief from my S3 even though more weight is placed on my wrists. There is significantly more leg room which means my surgically repaired knees aren't stiff as a board after 20 minutes. The lower seat has taken a little bit to get used to since I now sit in the bike rather than perched on top like the S3 AND it's wider/softer too. My arse doesn't feel like a log rammed me now either. The hand controls are quite odd for me too because I swear they're as wide as the S3 handlebars when you add in the bar end weights, but they are lower and angled funky. If my comfort level is any indication, it's not an issue when I'm riding and concentrating on using proper techniques.

Speaking of technique, it's amazing how good this big pig handles. Even without fully adjustable suspension front and rear, it's fine as long as you understand the old addage that you must go slow to go fast. It was a little bit different with my S3 (490lbs wet) and my ZX6R (435lbs wet stock, 425lbs wet w/CF exhaust); I could throw those two around and muscle them into curves. Now, I have to ride a bit more maturely and wisely pick my line then hold it. . .and the BT020's stick which is surprising to me given the bad discussions about those tires. I can already tell that things will be even more amazing when I put a set of my trusted Pilot Power tires on. Speaking of tires, the front is out of balance and causes some mild headshake at speed. It will get better after they re-balance the front tire at the 500 mile service.

The drivetrain is the same as my old S3, but the final gearing feels much taller; 75mph was somewhere around 5,000 RPM, whereas it's much lower on the SPrint. The Sprint has that truly loafing feel to it at speed; like you're not trying to go as fast as you are and even if you were, it's easy. Conversely, it requires a lot of clutch work to get off the line and it doesn't really excel in the stoplight olympics. I did not get it for stoplight to stoplight drag racing, so that's a minor quibble.

Oh yeah, the exhaust noise is VERY different; the S3 was a bit deeper with an almost V-Twin sound while the Sprint is a bit higher with more of the true Triple sound that is so distinct. I actually like this sound more in stock form.
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Congrats on actually having your new horse in the garage (only when eating or sleeping :razz: )

Until you've had a chance to really familiarize yourself with the bike and figure out what kinds of modifications you may want to add, for the fork issue you might just want to put a heavier fork oil in for now. Especially if you're a bit hard on the brakes. I'm curious though about bottoming out on the forks. That hasn't happened to me and I've had to brake hard several times already. I weigh about 220 lbs and I'm still on factory default pre-load settings. Is it possible that someone at the dealership softened the front end for some reason? Standard should be ten turns from fully-in position. Even stranger that it's happening w/ ABS.

Enjoy the new bike. It really is a blast. :-D :-D

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Good onya Roadbuilder.

I told you they handle nicely.

Even better after a bit of a suspender tweak! :-D

Congratulations.

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Nice comparison,. RoadBuilder.

Sounds like you're enjoying the change.

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I have been experimenting with various suspension settings this week; full stock was ultra soft, Triumphs firm settings were inconsistent, my adjustment was a bit better, and now I'm trying the settings from the Sport Rider test. I had an appointment to get the sag set today, but that will have to be pushed back since I'm on dad patrol all day.
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Once you get the sag set correctly, the bike should behave better for you. As Denman suggested heavier oil maybe a cheap way of firming up that front end until you decided to go further.
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I never had a chance to bottom the fronts as I changed out the oil to 15wt at the 500 mile mark. I can say I that I can bawl the front and stoppie without bottoming the forks and under complete control. I'm roughly 200lbs kitted up.

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I'm 210lbs butt-a** nekkid now, so figure on another 20-25lbs with gear (helmet, Vanson jacket, gloves and heavy Oxtar race boots) and clothes. Bottoming the front end comes when I'm braking on the city streets near downtown because they're in such pitiful shape: poorly patched and/or deeply rutted.

Here's a theoretical question that popped into my mind as I was riding home yesterday: how does ABS affect the potential to do a stoppie? I've never done one, nor do I plan to do one on such a heavy bike, but the theoretical exercise is interesting.
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On 2007-06-21 16:42, RoadBuilder wrote:
Here's a theoretical question that popped into my mind as I was riding home yesterday: how does ABS affect the potential to do a stoppie? I've never done one, nor do I plan to do one on such a heavy bike, but the theoretical exercise is interesting.
Well - many have said it's impossible to do a stoppie on an abs equipped bike, but I'm not so sure... Having never done one myself, I can only go on observation of others but...
ABS activates / intervenes by releasing the brakes when there is a sudden change in rotation speed of the wheel. Yes there has to be enough of a slow down on the front wheel to initiate the weight transfer so the back lifts up but the wheel doesn't lock until the very end of the stoppie. So theoretically it must be possible with ABS as the system stops working under 6mph and shouldn't active above that speed as long as the front wheel doesn't stop moving completely - it's probably a fine balance but I'm fairly sure an expert could pull it off...
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