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Old 12-17-2006   #1 (permalink)
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I live in a police state, the penalties in Western Australia
are purely for raising revenue. Try 30 to 39kmh over the limit (~19 to 24mph) $1000 as of 2007. More than 39Kmh is an automatic license disqualification for a period of 6 months plus the grand.
1 km over the limit will get you a penalty.

39 multinova (speed cameras) that are moved around all day, seven are rear facing to capture motorcyclists speeding.

2004-05 raised over $33 million dollars revenue from speeding infringements in a city of a population of ~ 1.4 million people.
We also have a points system, 12 points that last 3 years - easy to lose your license here.

The state government claim that these draconian penalties are to reduce traffic accidents from speeding, we haven't had one year yet that I know off that the road toll has decreased.

Anyone else live in a place like this?
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I bet that it's all because of that Mad Max bloke. He was a hooligan for the ages.
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Here`s some food for thought, which, I`m sure will p1ss a lot of people off. I`m not a 'born again biker' I`ve been riding for 27 years and spent 10 years working full time as a motorcycle courier in London, doing 60-80,000 miles a year. There are a few of you on this forum who have ridden with me and know what I am capable of on a bike. So consider this..
You`re out there on your S3 and all the young hoons are tearing around in their V8 vk commodores and ea falcons, at whatever speed they like, jumping red lights etc. Is this the kind of environment you want to be riding your S3 in? We NEED the speed limits to be enforced otherwise it would be anarchy on the roads. All the f***wits in cars are dangerous enough to bikes at the speed limit, god knows what it would be like if they had carte blanche to drive at whatever speed they liked. Here`s the truth, dude, 90% of males think that they are an above average rider/driver. 50% of them are mistaken. This 50% are the ones that get caught by the speed cameras. The remaining 40% are the ones who are paying attention to their surroundings and can spot the cameras or the ones that are sensible enough not to speed in high risk areas. These are the riders/drivers that ARE above average. Whether you like or not, cameras only punish the inattentive speeder and these are the ones who are dangerous. If you can`t spot a speed camera, you aren`t a good enough rider to be exceeding the speed limit.

I love riding and I love riding fast. I`m very comfortable doing what I do, where I do it so, MORE SPEED CAMERAS PLEASE! Let`s make the roads safer for good motorcyclists and slow the not quite so good motorcyclists down until they know what they`re doing.

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90% of males think that they are an above average rider/driver. 50% of them are mistaken. This 50% are the ones that get caught by the speed cameras. The remaining 40% are the ones who are paying attention to their surroundings and can spot the cameras or the ones that are sensible enough not to speed in high risk areas.
Your point does not quite apply at least here in Finland because a) the speed cameras cannot be spotted as they can be in a moving car/van, in a car parked on the side of the road as well as in a permanent post hidden well in the bushes and b) the cameras in here are not where there is most risk (eg. schools nearby, high amount of accidents etc), but rather they are placed where most revenue can be collected. These being on an overtaking lane at a low traffic rural road, on a deserted motorway at night etc.

The penalties over here are also quite ridiculous. Go over 20% over the limit and you are guaranteed to lose your licence for months without any consideration if you need your licence for work. Also the fines in here are calculated based on yearly taxed income without any top limit on the possible fine. For example a member of the board at Nokia got a fine of 116000eur for doing 75km/h in a 50km/h zone on his motorcycle. No accident or other mayhem done. Just speeding.
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Here`s some food for thought, which, I`m sure will p1ss a lot of people off. I`m not a 'born again biker' I`ve been riding for 27 years and spent 10 years working full time as a motorcycle courier in London, doing 60-80,000 miles a year. There are a few of you on this forum who have ridden with me and know what I am capable of on a bike. So consider this..
You`re out there on your S3 and all the young hoons are tearing around in their V8 vk commodores and ea falcons, at whatever speed they like, jumping red lights etc. Is this the kind of environment you want to be riding your S3 in? We NEED the speed limits to be enforced otherwise it would be anarchy on the roads. All the f***wits in cars are dangerous enough to bikes at the speed limit, god knows what it would be like if they had carte blanche to drive at whatever speed they liked. Here`s the truth, dude, 90% of males think that they are an above average rider/driver. 50% of them are mistaken. This 50% are the ones that get caught by the speed cameras. The remaining 40% are the ones who are paying attention to their surroundings and can spot the cameras or the ones that are sensible enough not to speed in high risk areas. These are the riders/drivers that ARE above average. Whether you like or not, cameras only punish the inattentive speeder and these are the ones who are dangerous. If you can`t spot a speed camera, you aren`t a good enough rider to be exceeding the speed limit.

I love riding and I love riding fast. I`m very comfortable doing what I do, where I do it so, MORE SPEED CAMERAS PLEASE! Let`s make the roads safer for good motorcyclists and slow the not quite so good motorcyclists down until they know what they`re doing.


There are numerous reports and studies that say the opposite. here is just one.


From the start of 2005 all road traffic accidents had their contributory factors recorded by the police. This allowed the Department for Transport for the first time to compile comprehensive data on the causes of accidents. The results show that 5% of all accidents are attributed to exceeding the speed limit. This is pretty much what Speedcameras.org and other road safety campaigns had been saying for years, but the authorities continued to pump an overwhelmingly disproportionate amount of resources into trying to prevent just 5% of all accidents. Meanwhile, any attempts to prevent 95% of accidents maintained an exceedingly low profile.

The report reveals that speed cameras are totally ineffective at preventing the vast majority of accidents. Exceeding the speed limit was attributed to only 3% of cars involved in accidents. 97% of car crashes have nothing to do with breaking the speed limit.

The total number of fatalities on the road decreased marginally (1%) in 2005 to 3,201. Given that there are 2 million motorists prosecuted for speeding each year it begs the question - if speed cameras are the answer to saving lives, how come the 5000 speed cameras and 2 million annual prosecutions haven?t produced a significant drop in fatalities?

Accidents on motorways, the fastest of all road types, account for just 4% of accidents. This shows that travelling at higher speeds is not in itself dangerous ? far from it. It means that roads engineered to take faster moving traffic have an excellent safety record. Perhaps the answer to reducing accidents can be found in better road engineering on other types of roads.

The top contributory factors for accidents in 2005 were:

Failed to look properly: 32%
Bad behaviour or inexperience: 25%
Misjudged other drivers speed/path: 18%
Poor turn/manoeuvre: 15%
Going too fast for conditions: 12%
Loss of control: 14%
Vision affected: 10%
Slippery road: 10%
Following too close: 7%
Sudden braking: 7%
Disobeyed traffic signal or stop sign: 6%
Impaired by alcohol: 5%
Exceeding speed limit: 5%
Road layout: 3%
Vehicle defects: 2%

The DfT report also revealed that 8 times more male than female drivers involved in accidents were reported as exceeding the speed limit, and 4 times more male than female drivers involved in accidents were reported as going too fast for the conditions. Perhaps that helps to explain the popularity of female-only insurance companies!

So what can be done to help significantly reduce accidents? Instead of the government trying to reduce accidents caused by lesser factors (such as exceeding the speed limit (5%)), if they made a valiant effort to reduce accidents caused by greater factors like failing to look properly (32%) then many tens of thousands of accidents could be prevented. This could be accomplished through better driver education for example.

Unless someone invents a camera that can take photos of drivers failing to look properly it?s fair to conclude that there?s a limit on the number of accidents that could be prevented by the use of speed cameras and resources need to be moved into other areas that can help prevent the 95% of accidents that have nothing to do with exceeding the speed limit.

Information sourced in part or in full from: Department for Transport
Our comment: Will they learn from their own research and move
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Trumpy1050, not to be a wise @ss, but when was the last time you went to a city council meeting. Governing bodies will do what they pease, when they please, until outspoken citizens call them on their BS.

I'm not saying that you alone are going to get rid of speed cameras, but being part of the discussion yields a lot more influence than not.

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The number one reason will always be failing to look/paying attention.

I bet that number will go up until they ban cellphone use. I almost had a dude in a dually run me off the road yesterday while I was returning from Cycle Gear...you guessed it, he was on phone and writing stuff down......diipshiite

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On 2006-12-17 08:06, welshrob wrote:
Here`s some food for thought, which, I`m sure will p1ss a lot of people off. I`m not a 'born again biker' I`ve been riding for 27 years and spent 10 years working full time as a motorcycle courier in London, doing 60-80,000 miles a year. There are a few of you on this forum who have ridden with me and know what I am capable of on a bike. So consider this..
You`re out there on your S3 and all the young hoons are tearing around in their V8 vk commodores and ea falcons, at whatever speed they like, jumping red lights etc. Is this the kind of environment you want to be riding your S3 in? We NEED the speed limits to be enforced otherwise it would be anarchy on the roads. All the f***wits in cars are dangerous enough to bikes at the speed limit, god knows what it would be like if they had carte blanche to drive at whatever speed they liked. Here`s the truth, dude, 90% of males think that they are an above average rider/driver. 50% of them are mistaken. This 50% are the ones that get caught by the speed cameras. The remaining 40% are the ones who are paying attention to their surroundings and can spot the cameras or the ones that are sensible enough not to speed in high risk areas. These are the riders/drivers that ARE above average. Whether you like or not, cameras only punish the inattentive speeder and these are the ones who are dangerous. If you can`t spot a speed camera, you aren`t a good enough rider to be exceeding the speed limit.

I love riding and I love riding fast. I`m very comfortable doing what I do, where I do it so, MORE SPEED CAMERAS PLEASE! Let`s make the roads safer for good motorcyclists and slow the not quite so good motorcyclists down until they know what they`re doing.


There are numerous reports and studies that say the opposite. here is just one.


From the start of 2005 all road traffic accidents had their contributory factors recorded by the police. This allowed the Department for Transport for the first time to compile comprehensive data on the causes of accidents. The results show that 5% of all accidents are attributed to exceeding the speed limit. This is pretty much what Speedcameras.org and other road safety campaigns had been saying for years, but the authorities continued to pump an overwhelmingly disproportionate amount of resources into trying to prevent just 5% of all accidents. Meanwhile, any attempts to prevent 95% of accidents maintained an exceedingly low profile.

The report reveals that speed cameras are totally ineffective at preventing the vast majority of accidents. Exceeding the speed limit was attributed to only 3% of cars involved in accidents. 97% of car crashes have nothing to do with breaking the speed limit.

The total number of fatalities on the road decreased marginally (1%) in 2005 to 3,201. Given that there are 2 million motorists prosecuted for speeding each year it begs the question - if speed cameras are the answer to saving lives, how come the 5000 speed cameras and 2 million annual prosecutions haven?t produced a significant drop in fatalities?

Accidents on motorways, the fastest of all road types, account for just 4% of accidents. This shows that travelling at higher speeds is not in itself dangerous ? far from it. It means that roads engineered to take faster moving traffic have an excellent safety record. Perhaps the answer to reducing accidents can be found in better road engineering on other types of roads.

The top contributory factors for accidents in 2005 were:

Failed to look properly: 32%
Bad behaviour or inexperience: 25%
Misjudged other drivers speed/path: 18%
Poor turn/manoeuvre: 15%
Going too fast for conditions: 12%
Loss of control: 14%
Vision affected: 10%
Slippery road: 10%
Following too close: 7%
Sudden braking: 7%
Disobeyed traffic signal or stop sign: 6%
Impaired by alcohol: 5%
Exceeding speed limit: 5%
Road layout: 3%
Vehicle defects: 2%

The DfT report also revealed that 8 times more male than female drivers involved in accidents were reported as exceeding the speed limit, and 4 times more male than female drivers involved in accidents were reported as going too fast for the conditions. Perhaps that helps to explain the popularity of female-only insurance companies!

So what can be done to help significantly reduce accidents? Instead of the government trying to reduce accidents caused by lesser factors (such as exceeding the speed limit (5%)), if they made a valiant effort to reduce accidents caused by greater factors like failing to look properly (32%) then many tens of thousands of accidents could be prevented. This could be accomplished through better driver education for example.

Unless someone invents a camera that can take photos of drivers failing to look properly it?s fair to conclude that there?s a limit on the number of accidents that could be prevented by the use of speed cameras and resources need to be moved into other areas that can help prevent the 95% of accidents that have nothing to do with exceeding the speed limit.

Information sourced in part or in full from: Department for Transport
Our comment: Will they learn from their own research and move
Where is this report from? England?? Need to know to send to State trooper to help my argument as to revenue vs. safety. They do it for the MONEY!!
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Thats a UK report from '05. Link.

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