Triumphrat

KNEEBONE · 09-13-2006

Hey guys,

I am a new 06 speed triple owner and I am absolutely loving the bike. I did the first service and now have about 1,000 miles on it. It sure is nice to open her up. Actually, it is quite addictive. Anyway, my question is this. I noticed from the day I got her that it seemed that it had a slightly long crank time when first started in the morning or late afternoon. It is not that the bike has not started but it just seems like I really need to crank the starter for a while until it busts off. It runs perfect after that. This seems to be exaggerated as the temperature has dropped. It was 46 F this morning and it seemed to really crank long. You would almost think that the battery just doesn't crank quite quick enough. This is my first Triumph and my comparison is to Jap bikes. Well, I guess that is it. Let me know what you think. Thanks

Limey · 09-13-2006

If the bike does not start in 2-3 cranks, stop, count to 3 start it again. do not use throttle. always worked for me. but i'm sure this is gonna be a long thread. :-D

BUCKET · 09-13-2006

I like long crank time,oops we are talking about the engine aren't we. :-D :hammer:

KNEEBONE · 09-14-2006

Well it is 51 degrees this morning and I will be starting the bike shortly. I will try the proceedure with the split starting this morning and see how it goes. I did some reseach last night and found that sevearl riders had similar experiences on first start-up. Someone mentioned that it is buit into the ecm prog. to not light off until adequate oil press is built up. I can see the vlue in this as I have been a certified Mercedes tech for 10 years but none of our vehicles ever did something like this unless something was wrong. Anyway, it may be the nature of the beast, but I did not expect it from A bike that is FI. If anyone has any more diffinitive answers please let me know. However, I have noticed that the oil press light does go out before it fires cold. Thanks for your replies
KNEEBONE :roflmoa2:

jayb · 09-14-2006

Kneebone,

My bike does he same thing. Its definatly not an oil pressure thing, as usually my oil pressure lite goes out in a couple of seconds, but it still cranks and cranks.

I own a tuneboy, and have talked to Wayne Macdonald a bunch of times about this problem. He believes that there is a prime pulse value in the maps that sends an initial squirt of fuel to the engine (kinda like pumping the carb on an old car)

He thinks its pumping to much fuel. I tend to agree. If you look at some of triumphs maps with the tune boy software, you can see this number is VERY differnt from the older maps to the newer ones.

My bike is currently at the dealership for other issues, (brakes) so I cannot say if changing this value works or not.

But trust me, as soon as I get my bike back, thats the first thing I am trying. I'll keep everyone posted.

On a side note, I thought maybe changing plugs would help. Nope. Mine really doesn't like to start if its warm, and then I let sit for like 30 minutes.

If I just shut it down, to pump gas....for a few minutes, It will start right up.

Hope this helps

Jay

Devious2XS · 09-14-2006

The combination of the ECU priming and the tightly fit throttle blades without an idle relief hole cause the 1050 engines to be RICH when starting - or trying to do so.

If you crack the throttle very slightly when you turn the engine over, and release the throttle when the engine catches, it will start very easily.

Mesoam · 09-14-2006

its a british bike, just be happy it starts :hammer:

R100Pilot · 09-14-2006

I was about to say... it starts, don't it? But Meso beat me to it.

What part o' Okiehoma you livin' in? I used to live in Clinton. I missed things like trees so I had to move back here. Left the exwife in Weatherford :-D

birdman · 09-14-2006

Hey Kneebone,
I have an 03 and had similar problems. One of the pieces of advice I got from this forum told me to turn on the bike and wait between 45 secs to a minute before I crank. I have never had a problem since.

Tee-Dub · 09-14-2006

My 05 does it too. Always starts though. When its warm it fires right up. Although the other day I stopped for gas, when I hit the starter it did a slow crank, once over and nothing. Did it again, then fired right up. Weird, first time for that!