Oxygen Sensor/ TuneBoy

[TrackerOldGuy]

I thought that I would make this a specific new topic.
I do not have a TuneBoy yet. I am aware that Tboy works
better with a wide band sensor. While I understand that
InnovativeMotorsports wide band sensor can be configured
to change the analogue output to 0-1.27v ( which may be
a challenge for the Tracker), it also has a six wire/plug
output while the stock harness has a four wire/plug
connector( thus requiring figuring what goes to what
and cutting/soldering accordingly). This is all for the purpose
of putting a wide band on board in place of the stock narrow band sensor.
So, my question is is there another way to use a wide band
sensor (from what supplier ?) that can connect directly to
a PC or the Tboy ( connector, cable??)
Or do I just have to go to someone with a Dyno who has
the sensor, in which case perhaps I should get the TORs
tune loaded at my Triumph dealer and be done with it.
( currently have Wolf cans and mid-pipe) :???: :???: :???: :???:

[RbtWbbr3044]

Tracker,

I am in exaclty the same boat that you are. I had the TOR's at one point and loved them, but hated the weight. I love the looks and weight savings of the Trident system, but now with this system (maybe due to the bigger mid-pipes or bigger outlets- who knows) I have a lean spot between 2 and 3 thousand rpms. My dyno guys thinks it is on the ragged edge of lean and do not want to damage the motor.

I am confident the Tuneboy will be able to remedy the problem along with any trouble codes, fix speedo error, and other neat electro-tinker stuff. My dyno guy is a Power Commander seller and he has never heard of Tuneboy, so I do not know if he will even be able to or want to try and interface with my Tuneboy. That is why I have not yet made the Tuneboy leap but I am so eager and believe that tunes will come for the Tuneboy eventually.

[dr_gallup]

Your dyno guy can develope a PC tune and the Tuneboy can read that in and adjust the map based on the PC data.

[TripleTrouble]

Tracker,

I think you are on the right track, but may be confused a little (or I misread your post). The O2 only goes back to the bikes ECU. THe TuneBoy is simply a cable that plugs into the OBDII port under your seat and allows the ECU to communicate with your PC/laptop. The O2, as intended OEM is to take data from the exhaust system so the ECU can make proper adjustments. In this respect has no bearing on the TuneBoy working.

What I think you are getting at though is the fact that for dyno tuning purposes and 'on-the-fly' type tuning a wideband is no doubt the only way to go. Most aftermarket wide band controllers have an output wire built in to simulate narrow band readings (to keep the ECU happy). With this system you get a digital (in most cases) display of your AFR. Unfortunately these systems are about $400. I have a unit in my car (aftermarket standalone EDU) that I might swap into the bike after I get the car dialed in.

The practcal thing to do is take it to a dyno and have them dial it in. They will take care of all that stuff (nothing I do is practical though).

Anyone know for sure this isnt a wide band from the factory? Some OEM automakers use widebands.

Chris

[Pig9r]

I am going through similar probs with my Rocket. It is very difficult tweaking the maps without knowing any CO readings. The Innovate wideband would be the way to go however to gain the greatest benefit you would need to datalog with the Tuneboy datalogging program. That requires carting a laptop with you and leaving the Tuneboy cable connected to the bike.

The Keihin ECUs use a narrowband O2. If you look at the a/f map only the areas that have an a/f target of 14.57 to 14.7 cause the ECU to go into closed loop (use the O2 sensor). About the only time they go into closed loop is idle and small throttle openings. So you could change the a/f values to 14.0 (which would cause the ECU to stay in open loop) and disconnect the narrowband stock O2 sensor and plug in your wideband do your datalogging and replace the stock sensor.

Another option have another bung welded onto the exhaust and plug in a wideband sensor when you want to datalog and not have to worry about messing with the stock setup and connections to the computer.

I think your money would be better spent on a dyno session or two to obtain a good tune. Another problem is that wideband sensor setups don't have as long of a life on a motorcycle.

One benefit of Tuneboy is that you do about anything Triumph can do with its datatool and you can make ignition mapping changes also. I have found most of Triumph's stock tunes really suck.

Some wideband links
http://www.widebandcommander.com/
http://www.wbo2.com/
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products.php

[TrackerOldGuy]

Thanks for the input ( pun intended) guys.
TripleT: ( 1) I agree that the OEM narrow band does not effect the working of the TuneBoy (2) innovatemotorsports
did not indicate that their wide band had a narrow band wire
and basically said that they could not help.

Pig9r: ( 1) I am (was) willing to cart the lap top but there
doesn't seem like there is an easy way to get a six wire lambda sensor connected to the lap top (2) I would be (was)
willing to weld another bung , but as I have changed to the Wolf mid pipe and the other complications shown above, it
seems the money spent on TuneBoy and a wide band lambda
is getting out of control.

Does anybody know a good Triumph dyno guy in Florida??
Or has anybody else solved this problem??

( I also reviewed the widebandcommander and wbo2 web
sites---thanks pig9r)

[TrackerOldGuy]

may I inquire if anybody knows a good Dyno/TuneBoy guy
in Florida, if I don't mention any kulour?