brake survey?

[zmann]

I had posted to see if this site's internal survey tool could be used to better determine how many new S3 owners are experiencing brake problems (see link below) but I guess the tool is not ready for that use.
Anyone else able to create a survey or know of an online survey tool that can be used? The metric would be good to see.
What should the question be? Maybe something more quantifiable to isolate the problem or a satisfaction survey? Both? Surveys are tricksy.

"Are you dissatisfied with the brakes on your 2005/2006 Triumph Speed Triple?"
"Do you think they are actually faulty, fully functional despite the feel, or completely issue-free?"
"Can you squeeze the lever fully back to the handlebar?"

http://www.triumphrat.net/modules.ph...=47335&forum=5

[beatpusher]

Funny, I just asked the same question and was shot down.

I know of 2 site that we could do it on, but everyone would have to register and we would have to stick it in the off-topic section.

This board is in serious need of updated software, sub sections, and moderator action. IMO

As for the question: "... are your Speed 3 brakes having issues with excessive lever travel, to the point of being unsafe...??"

[tekmoe]

my brakes are squishy but nothing that is life threatning.

[buzlin]

my brakes were pretty soft from day one and got progressively worse over time (squashed my two outer fingers under "normal" braking). I did the piston push and they've been pretty good, but are getting softer. at this point, i've accepted the degrading feel and the need for the occasional piston push.

[jdub3]

mine are mush. last week i almost ran into some j@ckoff who put is left blinker on, pulled to the left, and then took a right instead as i went around him. we all know the brakes do actually work. i just hadn't pulled them far back enough in that short time span before i almost tboned the guy. if they weren't mush, i feel i would have stopped sooner.

[JackSparrow]

Yeah, the brakes are a bit mush, but they make me slow down and stop. Guess I;ll find out just how ****e they are when I get the bollocks(or the finances) to finally do a stoppie on this bike.

[Celt]

there's definatly a few people on this site that dont like the brake issue. either saying live with it or that people cant do simple maintainence.

im not loaded with money so i cant just go out and change things on the bike as i cant afford to do that.
and its that that makes me angry because after coughing up £7500 to buy the bike when i contacted Triumph they told me there was no problem and then 2 months later release a fix kit for the pistons / seals.
that sadly didnt fix the problem and a year on i am still not happy with the brakes.

if others have no issue with the brakes then great but dont start having a go at people who are just worried and looking for support from this forum (there certainly not getting it from anywhere else)

[HarriS]

On 2006-05-21 07:06, Celt wrote:
there's definatly a few people on this site that dont like the brake issue. either saying live with it or that people cant do simple maintainence.

im not loaded with money so i cant just go out and change things on the bike as i cant afford to do that.
and its that that makes me angry because after coughing up £7500 to buy the bike when i contacted Triumph they told me there was no problem and then 2 months later release a fix kit for the pistons / seals.
that sadly didnt fix the problem and a year on i am still not happy with the brakes.

if others have no issue with the brakes then great but dont start having a go at people who are just worried and looking for support from this forum (there certainly not getting it from anywhere else)

I am propably one of those people. But lets face some facts: Triumph does not admit the problem. What can a dealer do? They can push the pistons in or even bleed the brakes and watch you ride happily into the sunset. The only problem with that is that you will come back a month or less later with the same mushy feel. There is nothing else they can do. They will not shell out 500+ to buy you new calibers off different brand because triumph will not pay them. The brakes are not broken, They stop you on a dime but some people just do not like the way the lever feels. The Brembos of my friend´s KTM had similar feel. Felt odd at first but he got used to it.

What come to the support of the forum at least I have offered help several times. I have told that it is useless to bleed the brakes because it is a major hassle and it is not the problem. In the next post somebody usually tells how he is going to bring his bike to the dealer next week to have the brakes bled fifth time. I have instructed how to push the pads without removing the calibers and not using more than one minute. In the next post somebody usually tells how he hates the brakes because he has to dissassemble and clean the calibers once a month. It is not my intention to be rude but it is getting slightly frustrating if nobody listens or does not have the ability to understand sÃ*mple instructions.

Triumph does not manufacture the brakes. They are made by Nissin in Japan. Nissin supplies brake parts to maybe half of the bikes manufactured in the world. Triumph cannot solve the problem. It is Nissin´s job to do. If they recognice the problem and find a solution, I am sure Triumph is happy to supply the parts at Nissin´s cost.

In the meantime the only sensible and easy (unfortunately not permanent) solution is to push the pads every now and then and inform triumph that there is a feature you don´t like.

[ This message was edited by: HarriS on 2006-05-21 12:59 ]

[Avi8or]

If Nissin supplies 'faulty' units then it is up to Triumph management to resolve the issue with Nissin or else stop getting their brake units from Nissin. It's not like Nissin is the only brake manufacturer.

Close on 2000 kms I had to do the piston pushback routine on my 2006 S3. So it seems despite the speculation that Triumph (or Nissin) have implemented a 'cure' the problem still seems to persist.

My Kawa ZR7 with stock Tokico brakes, Goodridge braided lines and EBC HH pads has had rock solid brakes since I changed to braided lines and they have remained so for the last 3-4 years with minimal maintenance ie change of brake fluid, and have always worked flawlessly.

It is NOT normal for brakes to go mushy over a period of time, and despite various cures and fixes the problem still persists and from the amount of posts received it seems to be quite widespread too.

My take on the issue is that if Triumph are not informed officially about this problem, then they will happily continue trodding down the wrong path.


[ This message was edited by: Avi8or on 2006-05-21 13:33 ]

[MonkeyHanger]

The brakes on my 1979 RD400 are as good today as they were when new.....

(Granted not a potent bike compared to the S3 but few would disagree that it was one of the leading bikes of the time)

Over to you Triumph. SORT IT OUT

Mine has had a new seal kit and its back to "SPONGEY BRAKES"

MH