Triumphrat

TrackerOldGuy · 03-15-2006

I was in the process of changing the oil for the 500 mile
service on my 2006 Speed Triple. Replaced the Triumph
Filter ( label showing 8-12 Nm ) with a K&N-191 ( label
showing 8-12 Nm ) noting the error in the owners
manual ( 25 Nm). The shop manual correctly shows
10 Nm for the filter and 25 Nm for the drain plug.
Upon starting the engine, oil started rapidly draining
from around the filter base. I took the filter off, put it back
on to 10-Nm, refilled oil,started engine and the same thing
happened in about 2 seconds!
What am I doing wrong?

corners · 03-15-2006

Make sure the old rubber gasket/o-ring from the first filter is not still stuck to the engine. If it is that would not allow a good seal. Also make sure the new filter has the rubber gasket/o-ring on it.

miker · 03-16-2006

Also make sure you have smeared a bit of new engine oil on the seal, makes it slide around the seat better.

I do mine hand tight, hard hand tight and they never leak.

Mick

crashmasterd · 03-16-2006

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On 2006-03-15 23:28, miker wrote:
Also make sure you have smeared a bit of new engine oil on the seal, makes it slide around the seat better.

I do mine hand tight, hard hand tight and they never leak.

Mick

This is my policy too. Also, fill the filter with oil before installing it. Never had a problem, except when (like corners mentioned) the old gasket was left on by accident. This makes a mess.

Speed3 · 03-16-2006

You also might want to tighten the filter more. I've never torqued an oil filter. Tighten it as tight as you can with your hand, and it shouldn't leak.

HarriS · 03-16-2006

The mechanic of my dealer warned me about some pattern filters. He said that some filters have different diameter and they bottom out without sealing to something in the recess where the filter is.

TrackerOldGuy · 03-16-2006

HarriS, I think that could be the answer. Each of the the
K&N-191 filters I have begins to encounter resistance
( like the gasket is beginning to seat) after only 1.25 turns
after the threads are first engaged. The Triumph filter
goes more than three turns before the gasket starts to seat.
then I tightened it by hand and it is fine.
I liked the design of the K&N with the 17mm nut drilled
for safety wire but it doesn't fit if tightened to K&N specs!

crashmasterd · 03-16-2006

That's nice and all, but why would you want to safety wire your oil filter? I have NEVER seen a spin on oil filter rattle off, on motorcycle, car, pickup, or any of the hundreds of trucks I worked on as a mechanic. Sure, the nut on the bottom is nice for removing the thing, but the proper sized filter wrench is cheap. ($3.00 or so.)

I use Purolator part number PL14612 or PL14610 on mine with good results. (one is simply longer) They're way cheaper than K&N, and K&N's claims of better filtration are dubious anymore.

Anyway, glad to see you figured it out.

TrackerOldGuy · 03-16-2006

True, I only know of one that came loose ( and it wasn't mine).
My safety wire habit came from car racing ( where some of it was mandated ).

corners · 03-16-2006

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On 2006-03-16 17:06, crashmasterd wrote:
That's nice and all, but why would you want to safety wire your oil filter? I have NEVER seen a spin on oil filter rattle off, on motorcycle, car, pickup, or any of the hundreds of trucks I worked on as a mechanic. Sure, the nut on the bottom is nice for removing the thing, but the proper sized filter wrench is cheap. ($3.00 or so.)

If you do track days you have to safety wire your drain plug, oil filter, and oil fill plug. It is a very nice feature