Throttle too quick on 06 S-3

[HiVel]

Having some problems getting throttle adjusted on my new bike. It is too abrupt or
"quick" when putting around or just trying to modulate the throttle in a really tight corner-very disconcerting. I am using the back brake to keep it from scooting out from under me- I have adjusted the cable ad infinitum and that does not seem to stop the abruptness when it hits. HELP appreciated.

[Geof3]

Adjust all the slack out of the cable. This will help. Get the TOR's map if you don't have it, even if you run stock exhaust. Other than that, it is a simple fact the S3 is ON when you hit go... regardless of what Omega says!! :wink:

The best thing is to ride as much as possible and get used to it. I've put about 3700 miles on mine and still get a little hot on the throttle at times on bumpy roads etc. Totally controllable, just a bit of an eye opener once in awhile.

[Martin_R]

On 2006-01-05 22:58, HiVel wrote:
Having some problems getting throttle adjusted on my new bike. It is too abrupt or "quick" when putting around or just trying to modulate the throttle in a really tight corner-very disconcerting.

Get an aftermarket exhaust and get your fueling mapped to the TOR map. The abrupt low rev delivery is a result of the ***** stock fuel map, which has been designed to meet the current pollution standards.

The TOR map results in a much smoother power output when compared to the on-off style of the stocker.

[HarriS]

Fuel injection with big throttle butterflies and linear linkage does that. There is nothing "wrong" with the mapping. All kinds of dirty tricks must be used to make the engine respond softer than its nature tells. For example the Suzuki dual butterfly "fly by wire" system where you merely tell what you want and the ECU adjusts the throttle. The cable controlled butterfly on Suzukis is actually an emergency shut down device more than actual throttle adjuster. With motorcycle injection with very large butterfly for each cylinder you get plenty of air in the engine with small throttle openings and if the fuel map gives proper mixture on all occasions, you rush forward even if you did not mean it. On low speed there is not much resistance from wind etc. so the acceleration is and feels much quicker than on high speed.

On Speed Triple the map must be messed with to make the engine respond less powerfully to the throttle. You cannot make the mixture rich or lean but for example retard the ignition advance when opening the throttle to lower the power momentarily.

The S3 map is not messed up but just not toned down. I tuned my Bandit 1200 for maximun throttle response the CV carbs could get and I do not find the Triumph throttle bad at all. Ever tried properly tuned flat slide carbs on some powerful bike?

When the fuel injection came around, there was plenty of complaining about the too quick throttle response. People were used to the soft responding CV carbs and the new character was hard to get familiar with. It runs fine but you just have to be more delicate with the throttle than before.

[ This message was edited by: HarriS on 2006-01-06 06:20 ]

[MadMac]

This is just another reason that this bike in not for beginners. It is abrupt from full off to cracked on, so...don't shut it at lean. (which you should not be doing anyway)

Mine is currently parked during the subfreezing winter, and I got the TORS from my lovely wife for xmas. Will put those on and remap come thaw. Maybe this changes the throttle response, maybe not.

[bikeordie]

On 2006-01-06 06:49, MadMac wrote:
This is just another reason that this bike in not for beginners. It is abrupt from full off to cracked on, so...don't shut it at lean. (which you should not be doing anyway)

Mine is currently parked during the subfreezing winter, and I got the TORS from my lovely wife for xmas. Will put those on and remap come thaw. Maybe this changes the throttle response, maybe not.

i feel so bad for you. we here in florida arent quite sure what winter is! year 'round riding!

[cheapbastard]

I agree with Geof3, make sure you don't have slack in your throttle cable. If you have quite a bit of slack, it can cause you to be very choppy on the throttle. Other than that, it's just like everyone else has said, this bike has "right now" power. But that's what makes it so fun, if you don't like it, I hate to say it, but you bought the wrong bike.

[gr8shandini]

I agree that a little bit of "rider adaptation" is required. My Aprilia will just about buck you out of the seat with engine braking if you close down the throttle, then try to wheelie when you get back on it. For that reason, I got in the habit of feathering the clutch any time I get close to closing the throttle completely. I always thought the S3 was buttery smooth, but perhaps that's because I've already had my synapses adjusted.

[Diego]

Another voice here in the anti-slackness camp. I can say from experience that the stock-versus-offroad map throttle response difference is minimal at low speed. The whole trick is developing a steady throttle hand, and not having excess slack will help you do that.

If you have air leaks or throttle body imbalances that may cause 'hunting' of engine speed at low revs, that can make it harder to modulate the throttle smoothly at low speeds too...but an issue of that sort can and should be remedied anyway.

[HiVel]

The last FI bike I had was an 82 Kawasaki GPz1100-everything else before or since has been carbs. SO-I need to adjust my throttle hand right? OK ,done-we will deslack the cable completely and adapt! Thanks for the input. I love the bike and do have the TORS and the latest remap-she really runs great!