Keyless Ignition - Part Deux!

[DEcosse]

Should not be an issue with this Sombra one - just the initial RFID one.

The issue with the original one was that it created an oscillator between the solenoid and the headlight cut relay; the way around it with the S3/Daytona circuit was to switch the ground to the solenoid off the 'free' N/O pole of the starter cut relay - that is not possible with the Sprint config;
So you would have to isolate the ground to the solenoid via a switch (or conversely, better, to the RFID via a transistor switch)
But again should not be issue on this version as the clutch switch is input to a transistor, which isolates it from the other circuitry.

[DSRW]

Thank you for the info. If I go with the Sombra design, I'll probably use the alternate you posted that uses external relays instead of the mod to the Sombra box. Do the relays perform the same isolation as the transitors? (Yep, I'm an electronics noob) Would either of those solutions work if I decided to go with your original RFID design?

[afakhori]

Amazing thread! I was working on my own concoction when I stumbled upon this! DEcosse, you're electrical work is amazing!! Watch for my pm with some questions about doing this to my 'new to me' Bonne :-P

[2012S3]

Hi DEcosse. Excellent thread and like so many other people on here have said your work is impressive. I have a 2012 triple and was wondering if this system will work on the new triples. I noticed somewhere on here you mention something about the chipped keys for the immobilizers. Does this mean it can't be done?

[msowka]

2012S3, you'll just have to keep the key (or chip) by the ignition where the antenna is built in. If I had a key, I like the idea of keeping it tucked in under the seat wired in series with DEcosse's keyless system; in which case you could immobilize the bike by removing the key. Alternatively I've heard of others getting around the key immobilizers by brazing the chip (the stem of the key) to the ignition barrel close to the antenna; although this would be less secure.

If I can add my 2 cents to DEcosse's design, it would be to use Transil type diode to shunt the relays. This supposedly saves the relay from some possible wear (http://relays.te.com/appnotes/app_pdfs/13c3264.pdf );you'll note that Panasonic is actually discontinuing the parts with built-in diodes, possibly for this very reason.

Here is the part I intend to use:
http://www.digikey.com/product-detai...3-1-ND/2674538

Other than that, I'm just waiting on the parts from Eastern Beaver, and am psyched for putting the system together myself .

THANKS DECOSSE

[DEcosse]

^ You can certainly use those, (I'm not saying they are not better) but the simple diodes will suffice; just be sure you are only using those for the relay coil spike suppression, and not for the control diodes.

Footnote that I added a layout for the transistor control board to post #4

[Ahks]

I figure since I've classified myself as a geek or nerd to most people AAAANNND I took vocational electronics classes 10 years ago AAAANNND I'm a show off AAAANNND I need a way to hide my ignition barrel...

I pulled the trigger on a K9 Sombra that I found on ebay... new in box... DEcosse is bad for my pocket.

[DEcosse]

You can get down to two relays Ahks - the third that switches to the park lights is really moot since that only is necessary as additional pole to isolate from Headlights when you have key-switch in 'park' position; so just connect that to the headlight pole and eliminate that extra connection.
Also, if removing the switch altogether (I haven't used mine since I installed this!) then you don't need both male & female connector sockets.

[Ahks]

Very good info. I'm trying to slim down the wiring as much as possible as is. I'll put the barrel under the seat or in the trunk just to have in case of emergency and am going to direct wire everything just so the wiring can be hidden better.

[DEcosse]

Originally Posted by Ahks

... am going to direct wire everything just so the wiring can be hidden better.

Not sure what you mean by that - cutting off the Main Harness Key-switch connector and wiring relays to the wires in harness?
If you do that, you will defeat purpose of carrying key-switch to connect in its place ...
Or maybe I didn't understand correctly.