Interesting opinion from Triumph about the slow start issues

[crudmop]

A buddy of mine just picked up an 05 Daytona - his firs t day with the bike, he was visited by the long start-up woes (and the low power of the break-in period). He immediately called the dealer and told them he wanted to bring the bike in, as he hadn't heard of the startup issues.

While there, the dealer got the Triumph rep on the phone, and this was his take on things...

1) Do not baby the bike during breakin. Go ahead and ride it.

2) To defeat the slow startup, crank the bike momentarily and then stop - shut off the bike with the emergency switch, and wait 8 seconds - turn the switch back on, and it should turn right over.

Now, this goes against their own manual stating you shouldn't use the cutoff switch - but apparently, by doing so, the computer hasn't had the data written and assumes the bike was still warm, and will start up more rich than if it was a cold start. I watched him try this routine, and the bike turned right over.

I tried it on the s3, same old business with the long starts

Additionally, the rep had made a comment suggesting that the tune for the bike opens up and allows for the full range of power after the 1k breakin period. This seems a little less than believable to me, but I'm no supermechanic so what the hell do I know.


Just found this interesting.

[Rubbus]

Thanks for the info. I'm just over 300 mi on my 06 S3, and was told by the dealer to "bang the***** out of it" from 300-500 miles, so I guess that meshes up with what the Triumph rep says.

-Rob

[Mad]

It's not a delay in any of the electronics. It's the fuel pump pressure. If the pressure is not adequate the engine will not start. Using the kill switch just cycles the pump again and then the bike starts. The Triple does not have this problem.
Mad`

My '06 had the slow start thing too. As it has gotten more miles it has started easier and easier. I turns over about two times before starting now (550 miles). It needed about 6 rotations when I first got it home (5 miles on the odometer). I have been following Triumph's break in procedure to the letter. I am guessing it is an issue of how welll the rings seat as to how much compression is developed as to how well it starts.

[jnicosia]

the so called start up problem isn't a problem this has been debated when the 05 triple came out. aparently it's just extra rotations before the bike starts to pump oil throught the engine. was told by this from triumph so don't worry about it.

[beers2u]

I had never heard of the slow start problem before the 1050's came out and as you know the 955's have been around for quite some time. Your buddy's '05 955 Daytona must be trying to impersonate a new Speed Triple. :razz:

I think the Triumph rep started the weekend early...

[Lom]

On 2005-08-26 21:23, jnicosia wrote:
the so called start up problem isn't a problem this has been debated when the 05 triple came out. aparently it's just extra rotations before the bike starts to pump oil throught the engine. was told by this from triumph so don't worry about it.

Hmm, let's see... Machine is warm, I turn the ignition on, I get on the starter... cranking, cranking, cranking.... nothing. Try it with gas, try it without, try it with a little, use the kill switch, don't use the kill switch, try it on a headstand... No reason whatsoever, out of the blue, the bastard won't start (especially if among other bikes!) Then, depending on his mood, x minutes and y tries later, it'll start like nothing happened :???:

This is a "so-called" problem??? None of my japanese bikes gave me this kind of ****e. If I didn't love the bastard so... Strangely, it did get better in time.

I dunno about you guys, but I miss the carbs. At least they were supposed to suck ! (and sounded good too).

Also, what's up with a 11K bike without self-cancelling indicators?

[Geof3]

Hmm, let's see... Machine is warm, I turn the ignition on, I get on the starter... cranking, cranking, cranking.... nothing. Try it with gas, try it without, try it with a little, use the kill switch, don't use the kill switch, try it on a headstand... No reason whatsoever, out of the blue, the bastard won't start (especially if among other bikes!) Then, depending on his mood, x minutes and y tries later, it'll start like nothing happened :???:

This is a "so-called" problem??? None of my japanese bikes gave me this kind of ****e. If I didn't love the bastard so... Strangely, it did get better in time.

I dunno about you guys, but I miss the carbs. At least they were supposed to suck ! (and sounded good too).

Also, what's up with a 11K bike without self-cancelling indicators?

Sound like you DO have an issue of some sort. My 06 starts right up. I cranks a few times when cold, but hits right on the money when warm.

I agree, self cancelling signals would be nice, but it's not that big of a deal... :-D

Clocked another century today... powerband, throttle response... everything is settling in nicely.

[crudmop]

The "So called" issue is clearly an issue, regardless of if anyone thinks it's an important one or not.

I've learned to live with it - on cold start, I have to keep the throttle somewhat cranked open to get it to fire. Otherwise, it takes 2 or 3 sets of cranks before the bike kicks over. Once warm, it starts immediately every time. If it were fuel pump pressure, would this not occur regardless of engine temp?

At 9k miles, if it isn't settled in, it won't ever be, and I still find cold starts a pain. This is the only FI bike I have ever owned that took so long to start.

If this is the only complaint from me, I can certianly live with it - as I am sure it could be worse.

[Mad]

The fuel pressure bleeds off overnite while the engine cools. The first start on a cold engine the fuel pump cuts out too soon to gain maximum fuel pressure. If you had a fuel pressure gauge it it very easy to see what's going on.
My turbo Hayabusa does the same thing. However, my 05 S3 starts easilly when cold.
Mad`

[ This message was edited by: Mad on 2005-08-27 16:12 ]