Thanks for the info, going to have to get a demo ride if they haven't all gone. Tenere may have to stay for the touring and an S3 for hooning.
As a comparison the MV was geared for about 6000rpm at 60MPH/100kph this gave me the ****s on any ride over 20 minutes. I changed the gearing to the same as the standard F4 which dropped about 800rpm off the cruising speed but as was expected throttle performance suffered. MV will put their bigger engine in this bike but the price premium makes the S3 all the more attractive.
By the way what are insurance premiums like?
The Mv was $1300 a year for a 33 year old, no finance and clean license.