Triumphrat

MickMaguire · 07-01-2004

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On 2004-07-01 17:57, YYZSKI wrote:
Basically, when Triumph was re-started in the early '90s they used as much readily available hardware as possible to keep development costs low. As such, many of the systems that are not 'Triumph Specific' such as a 3 cyl motor are generic to many bikes. Even the stator & rectifier are Yamaha items....

That's a really innacurate/misleading way to phrase it. They simply used the same suppliers as the other manufacturers and did exactly the same things as them. You use specialist suppliers for specialist parts which leaves you to concentrate on developing bikes not brake systems, electricals, tires etc.

The Meriden coop did exactly the same, just with a different bunch of suppliers including the likes of Lucas.

Hinckley · 07-11-2004

Per Jeff Tarlton

Yamaha cable #1UY-26335-00-00 fits the clutch on my 01 sprint. Might be an inch shorter, certainly not any longer, but it works. Might fit other 955 models.

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jeff tarlton

07-28-2004

RS Sprint indicators same as MUZ Skorpion sport. I recall the footrests may also be the same, if so check also Yam TRX.

cyclebob · 10-08-2004

The footpegs for the sprint rs, someone mentioned that the Yam TRX(?) would fit, any others? or what is the TRX in the U.S. market? thanks

cafetbird · 12-01-2004

Has anyone mentioned the Nology coil replacement yet for the T3 bikes here? Probably - but whatever - here it is again.

Nology Pro Fire PFC-06S.

http://www.nology.com

Someone with extra time on their hands should complie all this into a spreadsheet!

dhall10 · 12-02-2004

I know I've mentioned it in the Hinkley Classics section, but thought I'd add it here as well, The vintage KG Engineering Sissy Bars and Luggage racks will work on the newer Adventurers with out modifications if you do not have the OEM Paniers, they will fit with a little modification to the mounting brackets with a dremel. If you want to see how they look, check out my photo album.

Good Luck!

tyrebyter · 12-07-2004

Nobody makes their own oil filters anymore. Not even General Motors. When they did, it was a first quality piece and I used a truck load of AC PF53's on my BMW K bike. Now they are sourced from all over and mostly not too swift. After a long and painful search for the perfect oil filter for the T5, the one I've settled on is the Super-Tech 6607 (Wal-Mart's store brand) made by Champion Labs. It goes for $1.88 around here and is intended for some Mazdas. Actually, the best is the K&N which is the same Champion filter with a synthetic filter vs. the paper filter of the Wally World Special. Both are good. The Fram would be fine for, perhaps a Briggs and Stratton lawn mower, but not a lawn mower you cared about.
Clutch lever on the T5 is same as early '80s Kawasaki 500 twin. Turn signals same as some Buells and the Buell bits are dirt cheap (presumably because H-D guys think turn signals are for weanies, like helmets). Dex-Cool anti-freeze works well (2:1 with distilled water). Honda valve shims fit the shim bucket T5s (I'm told the shims are common to certain models from all the big four).

Claude · 12-07-2004

MickMaguire,

You are partly right in your assessment on how Original Equipment Manufactures (OEM) limited part production volumes influence their pricing in an upward direction when you say:

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On 2003-03-04 14:24, MickMaguire wrote:

My take on the high price as compare dto car filters is supply and demand... you simply aren't going to sell as many filters for a Triumph as you do for a Ford.

When compared to automotive companies, powersport OEMs like Kawasaki and Triumph do not have the same purchasing power when it comes to purchase replacement parts from manufacturers. However, there are 2 other closely linked reasons why upward pricing pressure occurs.

Firstly, the fact that Kwak and Triumph are vehicle manufacturers pushes their parts and accessories pricing upward because of the inherant costs caused by themselves being unit (vehicle) manufacturers, i.e. development costs, capital investment to build complex manufacturing facilities, engineering tests on units to see if such and such item fits or is within specs, costs to see if product meets government regulatory standards, etc. These companies have the responsibility to make the whole vehicle work, not just the replacement part. If something were to go wrong, financial repercussions are felt through possible liability cases against a manufacturer accused of bad engineering. For example, OEM's throttle cable would need to meet much more stringent standards for it is the OEM who installs it on the unit and who is responsible for its quality or lack of it. On the other hand, a jobber or aftermaket manufacturer's throttle cable only needs to work a minimum time period and its manufacturer is only held liable if that particular part is proven to have malfunctioned in the case of an accident. The risks taken are much lower for the aftermarket manufacturer.

Secondly, the other main factor that makes OEM parts more expansive is the pricing structure of its distribution and dealership network. Without this type of pricing structure, the OEM could not pay for its unit marketing, advertising, warranty, technical support and service, and overhead. Therefore, the OEM's official supplier of a given part or accessory must make a profit on that item when he fabricates it, then the corporation (in this case Triumph Co. - 35 to 50%), then the national distributor (Triumph America - 25 to 40% margin) and then the dealer himself (35 to 40% margin). One must understand that these margins are fair and any level making less would not be profitable and simply could not survive. As for the aftermarket manufacturers, they bypass one or often bypass two levels. For example, K&N may sell directly to Canadian Tire or Pep Boys (who make margin of up to 50% on items that are never put as loss leaders) who then sell directly to you, the end-user.

B02S4 · 12-30-2004

http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/FilterStudy.html

I run the Purolator PL14610 on my Speed Four...it's the same filter as I use on my Nissan 3.3 & 3.5 V6 motors, & you just won't find a better filter for the money. It has a bit more oil capacity as well. Check out the above link for interesting background info on oil filter construction.

gararnett · 01-19-2005

So, my stock Mikuni petcock (fuel valve) went south for the winter, permanently. I decided that since I'm not close to a dealer, I'd get an aftermarket Pingel petcock. Ordered the parts as listed in the chart, petcock and adapter plate. What I found out is that the chart is wrong. The chart lists the proper adapter plate as a 34mm unit. This is too short and a 44mm unit is required. Just to note, I have a 1995 Trophy, which has the same tank as all other year trophys, the original Daytonas and Speed Triple, and well almost all first generation Hinckley Triumphs. So, beware and don't order what they say you need to order.

What Pingel says to get:

Petcock - PN 6211AH
adapter plate - PN A1602C (34mm)

What you need to get:

Petcock - PN 6211AH (as listed)
Adapter plate - PN A1702C (44mm)

You can get other petcock that will work, just make sure its the 3/8" model.
Mine is a 6211CH, indicating chrome instead of aluminum. Also, you could alieviate any clearance problems with wiring (Trophy especially) with a rear facing (4211AH or 4211CH) or down facing (6291AH or 6291CH).

Any Parts Unlimited carring dealer can get it for you, but iwould suggest ordering direct from Pingel - 1-888-474-6435 or www.pingelonline.com.