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Old 08-03-2009, 12:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Unhappy Electrical Failure - advice please

Well I've just had a rather strange trip - great ride, but ended up disappointingly. Travelling from TX to MD (recently moved) and made it 1650 miles then took a short break before the last 50 miles and returning to the bike it would not start. It went absolutely dead. Thought it was the battery, but it's not, had to get towed the last 50 miles, what a crappy end to my trip.

The symptoms are that when I turn the key in the ignition I get no lights on the intsro panel, no headlights and absolutely no sound of electrons going about there business.

With the key in that position, the brake lights still work, as does the horn and hazard lights, so power is available and I guess there on a different circuit.

I've played around with the wiring and paddled the engine cut-off a few times and still no joy. I've done some searching, but other than the usual battery dead or cut-off switch wiring I've not got any ideas/pointers.

Is it likely that the ignition barrel has failed internally and I'll need a new one, or is there something more common that I might be missing?

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Old 08-03-2009, 01:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Firstly, I assume you have checked all the fuses, and the battery terminals...

Look at the bottom of the ignition switch.

The 'snakeskin' or sheathing should go all the way into the switch housing. However, it can pull out. If you see wires hanging out, you have probably suffered one or more cuts.

If that is what happened, you may not need to replace the switch. You will need to find someone with the right soldering equipment to repair the cut wires.

If you throw too much heat at the wire, it could melt the plastic terminal block inside the switch, and then you must buy a new one. And they are over $200.

As the switch is mounted with 'anti-theft' bolts, it is easier to just take the top tree off and take the whole thing to repair.

The connector block for the switch is located over the right headlamp. Yes, that means you have to take the front of the bike apart.

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Old 08-03-2009, 02:06 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks pushrod, I'll take a closer look at the wiring below/behind the switch.

The fuses are all good and the battery is nearly new with good tight connections. The cables from the battery seem good, but I've not had the tank off to make a full assessment, just the sidepanels and a torch.

I can't tell if the relay is in good order, but I thought this would only prevent the starting, not isolate all the electrics.

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Old 09-13-2009, 12:05 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Post Wiring fix completed!

Well after much time going back and forth to Texas I actually managed to put aside some free time this week and tackle the electrical fault on my bike. That being the complete lack of power when turning on the ignition.

I didn’t run any continuity checks or impedance checks on the loom as I new the wiring problem was located to either the internals of the ignition barrel or the wiring just below it, at its ‘u-bend junction’. Proved out by doing some calibrated wiggling of the wire and getting things to come to life.

First thing was to get the side fairings and then front fairing off. All easy stuff and just a 6mm allen key required for the fairings and a 10mm socket for the mirrors. Side panels first then ease off the front and disconnect all the lighting connections. Put these aside somewhere safe so they don’t fall over or get in the way of your size 13’s

Next is to access to the mounting point for the front light and instrumentation assembly where it meets the headstock. Undo these allen headed bolts (while maintaining some control of the assembly so it doesn’t drop) and ease it down to rest on the front mudguard. Suggest a cloth folder over a couple of times to protect the mudguard. I also used a couple of cable ties together to hold the assembly up using one of its metal arms and the lower triple tree on the forks.

-- See: light assembly removal --

From this position you have good access to the ignition barrel and it is held on by two allen key bolts. It can be removed from its location to allow better access to it, but the lower section of the barrel is security protected. You shouldn’t ever need to get in amongst that area anyway. Note that the barrel could be completely freed, but a lot of wiring would need to get moved and/or disconnected under the light assembly.

-- See: ignition barrel 1 --
-- See: ignition barrel 2 --
-- See: end connector --

Once removed the bottom plastic part can be unclipped to allow access to the wiring. From here you will be able to see if the wiring at the connection points is the cause of the fault, or if it’s good you’ll need to strip back the wiring loom sheath to dig in further.

-- See: wires 1 --

In my case it was a very easy spot as you can see from the photos. Given the indication of the failure and the fact the wire could not fit into the available connection point, it seems that the original installation was not as good as all the others.

-- See: wires 2 --

In order to make a good connection, I couldn’t just re-solder (tried it and failed). I had to drill out the old remaining solder and tidy up the end of the wire. From here I soldered the end of the wire and cut it into a point and shaped some solder to fit into the connection beside the wire. Then soldered it and made a good connection.

-- See: wiring fixed --

Did a quick check at this point to make sure it all appeared to be working – it was! Woohoo!

-- See: power on --

Tidied up the wiring and put the ignition back together and then reinstalled it all – just a reversal process. After completion took it out for a quick test ride and all worked as expected, including on full lock.

Time will tell if it all holds together, but I think it should.

Cost to me was a soldering iron ($15). Much better than $200 plus from the dealer.
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Old 09-13-2009, 12:10 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Just FYI for anyone else trying to do this: someone else had been at that ignition barrel before, as the standard bolts holding it to the top triple are headless security, not Allen. If you're lucky, the headless bolts will have vibrated loose to the point where they're easily unscrewed, but if not the top triple will have to come off and they'll need drilling out. I put lock washers on mine when I did the swap.

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Drilling the security bolts out is a last resort procedure. They can usually be removed with a needle nose ViseGrip plier or similar.
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My post here yesterday apparently didn't make the move.

You may want to ziptie a loop of the cable to the side of the switch housing, to ensure the cable is not pulled on or twisted where it emerges from the switch.

There is plenty of extra length, so you need not worry about the reach to the mating socket.
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Just wondering if this is a common problem? Same thing has happened to mine. Wish I had found this posting first, as I took mine in to my local bike repair workshop who carried out a repair. Sadly 10 days later the repair failed and I'm back to square one. Repair workshop now telling me I will need a new switch!?

Sadly I don't have as much confidence as you guys to carry out the job myself, so it looks as though I may have a costly experience
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