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Old 07-27-2008, 08:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Overheating problem in T-bird

Hi all,

I joined the forum recently as i bought a 95 T'Bird a few months ago. The last few months have been cool with rain, but on two days that it hasn't rained, the engine has gotten so hot the coolant tank has blown up a hot liquid volcanoe all over the bike. you can here liquid boiling away in the engine during the time i've jumped off and let it cool down. This happens only after 30km of riding.

It's on 26,000km and recently had a major service. they found the thermostat was missing, but i thought taking the thermostat out kept the engine cool?

Could this be from a busted head gasket? If so, should I look at sending the bike back to the dealership or fix it? I paid AU$8000 for the bike, and so far have had to spend >$1000 fixing it up.

Any help would be much appreciated.
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Old 07-27-2008, 08:30 AM   #2 (permalink)
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If you haven't done much miles since you bought it I would take it back to the dealer and see if they will fix it under some form of goodwill warranty.

It appears the water pump isn't working or the coolant can't circulate thru the radiator. Don't run it hot again otherwise you could blow the gasket and warp the head.

It's not good policy to remove the thermostat but they sometimes do that in hot countries.

Incidentally that seems to be over the odds price you paid even if it has only 26k on the clock.

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Old 07-27-2008, 09:06 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Thats a bit of a myth about removing the thermostat to make it run cooler. The problem is if the water pump is working, the coolant moves through the radiator too quickly to actually cool it. A cooling system needs a restriction.
It also takes longer to reach operating temp.
Can you hear your fan cutting in? If the bike is actually boiling the coolant the fan should run even after the bike is switched off. After a long period in traffic, on a hot day my bike will run the fan for a minute or two after switch off.
I would suggest that you check the fan first. Perhaps its sensor or the actual fan is faulty.
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Old 07-27-2008, 10:16 AM   #4 (permalink)
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#1) Check the small plastic elbow that is in the top of your catch tank. These crack and spray coolant all over the bike. I removed mine completely and inserted a rubber grommet in the hole and ran a new piece of tubing into the hole. The end of the tube must end up low in the catch tank to facilitate siphoning coolant back into the system when the bike cools down.

#2) I have found that you stand a 50/50 chance of helping your overtemp problems by removing the thermostat. On some machines it helps, on others it does not.

#3) As somebody said, be sure that your fan and fan switch are operating correctly.

#4) Use a coolant additive, like "Engine Ice". Most of these products really do work and can lower your operating temps by 10 degrees.

#5) Make sure that your coolant system is full. On these machines it can be difficult to get the system completely purged of air.

#6) Pay close attention to the color of your coolant. If it looks polluted, you may indeed need a head gasket. If it still looks clear green (or orange), your head gasket is probably fine, and you may want to investigate the water pump impeller.
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Old 07-27-2008, 01:33 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I'd also check your rad cap. Makes sure it is holding pressure.

I went through 2 OEM Triumph caps in 55,000km so I wouldn't be surprised if your cap wasn't holding pressure.
I do not favour the OEM ones from Triumph. The last OEM Triumph cap I bought lasted less than 2 years. I bought one from a KAwasaki offroad dealer. I am sorry, I lost the part number for it though.
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Old 07-27-2008, 01:34 PM   #6 (permalink)
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The most common cause of overheating in these bikes is air in the cooling system. The air doesn't conduct heat to the thermostat efficiently so it doesn't open correctly and the bike overheats. There are a few things to check out.

When the coolant heats up it expands and is forced into the reservoir and when it cools down it's supposed to pull back into the cooling system. A worn/dirty filler cap or a cracked/leaking vent line will allow air to be drawn into the system rather than coolant.

The bleed screw is another area to check. It's easy to overtighten the screw and break the threaded metal insert away from the plastic housing and that will let air in. That's a non-repairable problem and you have to replace the entire thermostat housing.

The bleed screw also uses a copper washer as a seal and these harden with time and reuse. You should be able to find replacements at your local auto parts store.

Clean out the coolant reservoir. I found about an inch of rust in the bottom of mine, and that reduces the amount of coolant available for cooling system refilling. You'll need to remove the reservoir and blast it out with water pressure.

When you refill the system you need to remove the bleed screw and fill until the coolant is level with the top of the bleed hole threads. That's the actual system coolant level indicator -- not the area under the filler cap.

Also, if you top off the system use either silicon-free 50-50 pre-mix (I use the Honda motorcycle pre-mix) or distilled water. Don't use tap water as that will add minerals that will encourage corrosion.


On the electrical side of things, unplug the connector to the fan switch and short across the contacts. The fan should start up immediately. If it doesn't, check for debris in the fan shroud -- leaves, gravel, etc.

You can test the fan switch by dipping it in boiling water and checking the resistance across it with an ohm-meter. It should read infinity (open) at room temps and zero (shorted) when hot.

Also check that the radiator is clean. You'd be surprised at the quantity of bug guts that can build up there.

To clean it, remove the covers, put some regular drug store hydrogen peroxide in a spray bottle and spray it into the radiator repeatedly until the foaming stops. Then hose it out from the back. The hydrogen peroxide breaks down the bug squish proteins and makes the goo easy to rinse out.


Another cause of excessive engine heating is a lean mixture so check that your air filter is clean. If the bike feels 'weak' or there's a misfire at small throttle settings you may have crud buildup in your pilot jets. Try running some fuel system cleaner with a couple of tanks of premium gasoline and see if the small throttle response improves.


There's an annotated photo of the thermostat housing in my PhotoBucket album that might be helpful in locating the parts.

http://s279.photobucket.com/albums/k...0Head%20Stuff/

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Removing the thermostat from the cooling system, unless for an emergency 'get home' measure is very bad karma! If the difference between a relatively cold day and a following warm one caused the engine coolant to boil then something other than ambient air temperature has caused the boil up. As mentioned, loss of pressure in the system via a crook radiator cap would be what I would go for in the first instance. If the pressure in the cooling system is escaping as the coolant temperature rises then expansion (of the coolant) will cause a blow out. The coolant that is then left in the system will quickly boil if the engine is hot. Because the coolant is not under pressure the heat attained may not be sufficient to trip the fan motor sensor prior to the blow out. A double edged sword!

Good luck and hope it all turns out well.
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Start simple!

Flush the system

check / replace thermostat

check / replace pressure cap

check over system for broken elbows leaks etc.


99% of problems will be fixed this way - then start looking at the more esoteric stuff.
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