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Old 05-23-2007, 10:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I posted this in the twins forum but then i realized this forum is seen by most all members at RAt, not just twins. And i've had little luck in the past getting a answer to this so hopefully i can find one here. Someone supposedly saw an 98 speedmaster or america while taking the tour at the triumph factory and said the 08's have indeed EFI'd. My question is how much if any of a power increase might the 865 cruisers see? They are a measly 54 HP stock, so it would be nice to see an increase.

So has anyone seen firsthand examples of what EFI will do in this regard? Either a carb'd bike that got EFI installed or a model of any brand that was carb'd and then changed in the next model year to EFI. What if any improvements in the way of power was seen?
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Old 05-24-2007, 02:32 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Don't know if this helps you out, Daz, but I did a little google research and here are two quotes that kinda sum up the
carb vs EFI debate:

"simply put, fuel injected is harder to get more hp out of but gives better fuel economy. carburation is better for easy cheap mods and simplicity."

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"If you are the type of person that is going to ride the bike and not try to make alot of changes to the motor (cam, exhaust, air filter, etc.) then stick with the EFI. I myself own a EFI bike and have ridden it all over the US. It performs well and does not have a problem with altitude. The computer compesates for altitude. You do not have to retune when you go to high altitudes. Remember, everytime you change somthing like above, the computer has to be reprogrammed. It doesnt know you made the changes!
Now if your the kind of guy that wants to add horsepower, change cams and make the bike a hotrod then go with the carb. Easier to work on and making jet changes are a breeze.
Yes, the carb has a computer, not like the EFI bike though. It works the advance and retard so you dont get pinging."

Whether there is an actual HP gain with EFI, I think that kind of A-B comparison need a dyno for an confirmation. I like the CV carbs on our bikes, but I would bet that the only gain with EFI would be better gas mileage and altitude compensation performance. I know that even with EFI installed stock on all Harleys now, that everyone seems to be trying to get better performance with re-mapping the EFI software...so, it makes me think, " what is the big atvantage of EFI, if you need to try to improve upon the stock setup of "best performance and gas mileage" when it's already there? Really, I think the stock CV carbs nour SM bikes are as fine as you can get, and at least you can tinker with them. The re-mapping process is very expensive with Harleys. They can have the headaches.

'Nuff said"......remember " Not Brand eech "comics
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Old 05-24-2007, 02:50 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Injection is about emissions laws, not horsepower. Carbs can be a pain, & lean mix screws can cause warm-up to take longer than I like, but I'd rather deal with that than a bad EFI map that makes on-off throttle transitions jerky.

Judging from experience, a test ride on the new Tiger in traffic will show you what dealing with a bad map is like. I left my test ride happy to be getting back on my carbureted '96.

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From these replies and the ones i got in the twins forum i'm beginning to think i prefer to stay with carbs ! I was considering getting the '08 EFI speedy when they arrive, but i think i'll pass. I just hope if i buy a new speedy (thinking of selling mine to get a spankin' new one) and get a 06 that the 08's don't come out and have higher HP specs !Thanks.
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Old 06-02-2007, 10:24 PM   #5 (permalink)
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There is a Tuneboy available for the triumph efi bikes which basically give the rider total control over fuel maps and ignition maps, among other things. Essentially this is like having an infinite supply of pilot and main jets, and needles for a carbed bikes.

Like another posted said, the efi's are nice in that they account for weather and barometric pressure, giving you the same ride no matter the time of year.

On my carbed bikes, even though the response is fantastic. If it is tuned for a sweet spot at sea level in 85 degree weather and you try to start and ride it at 4500 ft at 50 degrees, YOU WILL NOTICE.

Pluses and minuses to each.
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