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post #1 of 95 (permalink) Old 03-11-2017, 04:42 PM Thread Starter
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Non Start after Wash TBS

Needing help with starting problem.

Two days ago, the TBS was ridden to the car wash for a good detail. The bike was in top form when I rode it, , but now is a non-starter after the jet wash.

All electrics seem to work...lights, signals, kill switch, solenoid, starter motor, ect. Battery is full charge with 12.6 volts.

With pod filters, I had a baggie over the filters to protect from water spray, and it acted like it wanted to fire on (maybe) one cylinder once I tried to start it. Checked the coil wires, electrical connections, main igniter connection...all were good, and dabbed a bit of dialectic grease on all connections.

Drained fuel bowls (in case water seeped past the filters), re-filled and nothing except what sounded like a single shotgun blast. I removed the filters and dried them and still nothing. Tried a bit of starter fluid (just to test) and nothing.

With full charge on battery and the starter fully engaged, I'm at a loss. The igniter box was concealed and sealed properly, and there was not evidence of water around the box. Fuses are good, including the main.

Who might have a solution or a bit of guidance to this dilemma?

07 Bonne Black with ARK, AI removed, K&N Pods, Nology Coil and wires, D&D full exhaust, 135 mains/42 pilots, 1 shim @ sea level. Biltwell trackers, Hagon 2810's & progressive fork springs. all blacked out.
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I'm thinking the high tension leads are shorting out. Try having someone crank it over in the dark while you watch for sparks. (Are you getting spark at all? How about the side stand switch, clutch switch, kill switch...)

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I've got to assume that the switches are all good, since the starter motor is engaging the engine. The clutch switch def works properly. Sidestand is down, but wouldn't that immobilize the starter if it was bad?

Pardon my ignorance, but waht do you mean by "high tension" leads? I'm sure I know it by a different name.

I's geeting twilight now, so I'll get out there in about an hour to check the spark. Wish I had a spare plug handy.

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Pardon my ignorance, but waht do you mean by "high tension" leads? I'm sure I know it by a different name.
Spark plug wires....

Be sure to look down in the recesses in the head.

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Spark plug wires....

Be sure to look down in the recesses in the head.
Thought that's what you meant, and wanted to clarify.

Your aware of the plug set-up, that's gonna be a challenge.
Here goes....I'll post the known results.

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My experience has been that this kind of thing is usually in the primary side of the ignition (but if you filled the plug wells full of water, of course not always). Check all the low voltage side of the ignition, it is easiest to short out. Maybe the ignition pickup. Of course, if you crank on it that way for very long, You WILL foul the plugs...J.D

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Couldn't get a visual on the spark. I'll get a plug tomorrow and test it that way. As for the ignition, I had thought along that route, however, will all other circuits seeming to work, I dismissed it.

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Understood...

With the sprag in mind, I only do short bursts....never to exceed 5-6 seconds.

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Back in the day, i know I'm dating myself, we used to run hot rods with no hoods. All it would take was a foggy evening parked somewhere (used to keep an old tee shirt and a flashlight under the seat) and you had this problem. If you get the primary dry, at lease some cylinders will fire. Also, when you wash an engine that is already hot, condensation can form somewhere. ...J.D.
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After finding a spare plug, I checked #1 and #3 leads for spark. Both are sparking, so that rules out power to the coils.
removing the filter pods, I shot it with short bursts of starter fluid as the motor was engaging....a faint sound of exhaust could be heard, without firing.

Per WireWheels, having checked circuits leading from the ignition, all seem to be fine. The fan switch, however, didn't engage when shorted across the polls.

I'm thinking maybe the water jet ran through the filters, into the carbs, and will now remove the bank and drain all. Could the pilot jets be contaminated with water? Or the combustion chamber have water in it?

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