» Sponsors
Motorcycle.com

» Sponsors

Hinckley Classic Triples 885cc Classic Styled T3's: Legend, Thunderbird, Thunderbird Sport & Adventurer.

Please Visit our Site Sponsors

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-10-2008   #1 (permalink)
Member
Grand Prix 125
Favorite Bike: '98 TBS
 
tbh9088's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 30
TBS HID conversion

There's a shortage of information on HID conversions for the Classic Triples. I'm interested in performing such a lighting upgrade, but am concerned that there may not be enough space in the headlight housing to accomodate a bulb with a self-contained ballast.

Has anyone had any success/failures/advice regarding a true HID kit that fits a Thunderbird/TBS headlamp assembly? It seems that Sprint owners are all over this, and I want to play, too.
tbh9088 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 03-11-2008   #2 (permalink)
Senior Member
Supersport 600
Favorite Bike: '04 Triumph TBS
 
cpallen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Seattle, WA USA
Posts: 164
Other Motorcycle: '05 BMW R1200 GS
HID Conversion for TBS

Placement of the ballast is probably the lesser of the potential problems. There are other technical difficulties like the dual-filament H4 bulb which would require a moving mask or apeture for the high-beam mode, and the basic reflector design. I think that one would might end up having to replace the entire housing assembly.

Here is an excellent technical resource:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html

And here's a motorcycle kit you could try:
http://www.cqlight.ca/product_info.php?products_id=90

Let us know what you think ....
__________________
Courtney
cpallen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2008   #3 (permalink)
Senior Member
Supersport 600
Favorite Bike: Tbird
 
IrlMike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: County Cork
Posts: 165
cpallen

Much appreciate your links there, Daniel Stern looks like he's talking good sense there imho. I'd been curious about this, as I live in a rural area where good headlights are important. I'm going to leave HID well alone.

On halogen lighting, Auto Express magazine (UK based) did a product test on H4 dual beam lamps in stock, +30% & +50% output (light that is, electrical power is 55/60W standard on all). Philips came out clear winners on all IIRC, with there 'Super Bright' +50% best of all. There were significant differences with other brands.
I've fitted these Philips +50s on my Tbird & van & they are excellent, way more light, much sharper cut-off & way better illumination of the important nearside verge on dipped beam, with no issues from oncoming drivers. At about €20 ea. they are well worth investing in.

From a point of view of filament 'redundancy', should the headlamp bulb fail (esp in daylight where I may not notice it), I'm tempted to buy a pair of driving lamps, one hooked to dip, the other main (off a separate relay). There's not much room around the headlight so would like to keep them small, ~ 4" max.

Has anyone any advice / recommends they could make on this ?
__________________
____________________________
--__Y
...0-0.......^...........^^u.....^...... Ireland, home of street motocross....

Jazz isn't dead, it just smells funny
IrlMike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2008   #4 (permalink)
Member
Grand Prix 125
Favorite Bike: '98 TBS
 
tbh9088's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 30
Thanks for the good info. I'd considered the single point of failure for a faulty bulb leaving me without a light. Carrying the stock H4 bulb along would save me in a pinch. I'll preserve the factory wiring, so a bulb swap on the road shouldn't be a big deal.

Many of the bi-xenon kits advertise drop-in replacement with original H4 dimensions and beam pattern. Guess I'll give it a try and see what happens. If it just won't fit, I can always return it.

Thanks again for the help!
tbh9088 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2008   #5 (permalink)
Member
Grand Prix 125
Favorite Bike: '98 TBS
 
tbh9088's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 30
HID Conversion complete: Install notes and impressions

From the posts on t-rat.net, it doesn't appear as though there is much interest in HID conversions for the classic bikes. For anyone who is interested, I did just compete a lighting upgrade and thought I'd share the experience.

I purchased a kit from kbcarstuff.com (formerly xenondepot.com) in Canada. They initially sent me the automotive ballast with short wiring harnesses. The motorcycle-specific ballast has longer wiring cables to allow greater mounting location flexibility given the limited space on a bike. Steve at kbcarstuff acknowledged the error and quickly sent a new ballast at no charge.

The kit was supposed to be total plug-and-play with no splicing or wiring required. The review on webbikeworld for the same kit indicated as much, but while laying out the components from my kit on the living room floor, I realized another problem. I was either missing a cable between the ballast and the main power harness, or I had the wrong harness. FYI, the kit comes with NO instructions or parts list, but since every connector is unique, any reasonably intelligent person should be able to figure it out. But, I was at an impasse, so I sent Steve, who was so helpful before, an email at Kbcarstuff.com

For whatever reason, Steve never responded to my requests. I'm not afraid of wiring and splicing, so I figured it was time to just dive in and make things work.

I needed to build an extension cable to connect the ballast (mounted in the unused airbox on my TBS) in the rear of the bike to the a connector on the main wiring harness near the headlamp. Fortunately, I still had the original automotive ballast from which I robbed a connector. Then I purchased a 9004 headlight connector at Autozone for the other end of my extension cable (note: 9004 has identical dimensions to a 9005 connector, the difference being a single vs dual polarity keyway). Snip, strip, tin, grease, crimp, wrap, and voila - a new cable with professional looking (and weatherproof) automotive connectors.

I'd have had to do no other splicing except that the main wiring harness was about four feet longer than I needed. I really wanted a clean install and didn't want to stow several feet of unneeded wiring, so I resected and spliced a four foot segment from the main wiring harness. I used the left over wire in the extension cable above.

Another obstacle was that the bulb assembly had a slightly thicker seat ring than the original H4 bulb. This caused an interference with the wire latch mechanism that required that I file down a section on the seat and CAREFULLY bend the catch tab on the reflector assembly, since it seemed like the metal wouldn't tolerate much manipulation before fatiguing. Problem solved.

Other than all that, everything plugged together just fine. The fuse holder and relay, and battery connections were the last to hook up. I turned the key and it lit right up the first time. Whew! After four hours sitting on my rear end in the sun I had little patience to begin trouble shooting.

The H4 bi-xenon bulb assembly has a reflector that is actuated by a solenoid to change the illumination geometry in order to retain the high-beam function (that's a mouthful). With the engine off, you can hear the solenoid instantly switch to high-beam with either the dedicated switch or the flash-to-pass button.

My impressions:
The low-beam is now simply amazing. There is easily 2-3 times more light cast upon the ground. What is remarkable is that the beam pattern is virtually identical to the original headlamp. There is very little scatter, and the beam cutoff is just as sharp so as to not blind oncoming drivers.

FYI, I didn't realize there was a little 5W auxiliary lamp in the headlight that had long ago burned out (I'm 3rd owner). I guess the purpose it to allow you to still meet legal requirements for a headlight if you are caught out when the main bulb expires. When properly working it casts a little bit of light up close onto the road. This lower color temperature is a distinct difference to the 4300K xenon lamp now installed.

The hi-beam is less impressive. The beam patter changes only slightly, with a bit more light shining only marginally higher. I'd say I prefer my old high-beam to the new high.

All in all, though, I'd do it all over again. Because the low beam is such a vast improvement, and since I use it perhaps 98% of the time, I am willing to accept the lackluster high beam function.

They've come a long way with the xenon technology to be able to offer a hi/low beam in one bulb as a retrofit option and still retain an almost identical beam pattern. I may try another bulb design at some point to see if it affords me a slightly better high-beam function, but I'm not too worried about it now. I'm sure things will only improve as time goes on.

I've heard folks who are totally opposed to retrofits because the OEM reflector was never designed for an arc lamp, etc, etc. These people also appear to have a sales agenda for their own incandescant products. There may be a lot of truth to this, but at least in my case, it worked quite well.

Let me know if anyone has any questions - in particular if there are any TB/TBS owners considering a project like this, I'd be glad to share some installation tips and suggestions. Space is tight, so pre-planning is essential.
tbh9088 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2008   #6 (permalink)
Member
Grand Prix 125
Favorite Bike: '98 TBS
 
tbh9088's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 30
One extra note. . .

I always noticed how my original headlight would dim slightly at tickover. With the HID system, the light level stays constant - even at a very low idle.
tbh9088 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
HID Conversion thinkjerm Sprint Forum 11 08-01-2007 11:35 AM
complete HID conversion kit MotoRaider Speed Triple Forum 7 10-16-2006 09:13 PM
TBS Trike conversion breezeon Hinckley Classic Triples 4 04-18-2006 10:50 AM
HID Headlight Conversion Kit? DahktahJay Sprint Forum 0 03-07-2005 12:39 PM
108bhp TBS conversion kit Hinckley Classic Triples 4 04-21-2004 10:06 AM


Motorcycle News, Videos and Reviews
Harley Davidson Suzuki GSXR Honda 600RR Yamaha R6
Sportbike Forums GSXR Forum Honda 1000RR Yamaha R1
Sportbikes Forum Ducati Forum Kawasaki ZX R6 Forum
Motorcycle Forum Ducati Monster Kawasaki Forum R1 MessageNet

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.1.0