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Old 11-19-2009, 12:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Just joined. Used to ride the old Triumphs (Tiger Cub, Twenty-One, Tiger 100) back in the UK.
Now have a 2000 Thunderbird with 7500 miles and problems:

When idling, the exhaust pipe from cylinder number 3 is considerably cooler than the other two.
When I ride the bike, the engine power is down and it “bucks” on hard acceleration above 40 mph.
I have installed a new set of plugs (the old plugs did not show any heavy fouling).
I checked the spark on each of the cylinders, which gave a weird result. The spark on cylinders 2 and 3 is good, but I get little or no spark on cylinder 1.
I swapped the coils (1->2->3->1), but got the same result on the spark test and, when running the engine, the pipe from #3 is still cooler.
I checked the fuel flow from the tank and it is good. I have checked the duck bill filter and it is clear.
I tried putting Sea Foam into the fuel line and running the engine. Got lots of smoke, but no improvement, apart from a small increase in idle speed.
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Old 11-19-2009, 01:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Are you saying you get no spark on cylinder #1, but cylinder #3 is cold? That seems like a weird one to me. Could it be a problem with your igniter/CDI? Do you know someone that you could swap with to test?
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Old 11-19-2009, 01:30 PM   #3 (permalink)
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If #1 seems to be running O.K., I'd say clean the #3 carb.

RPM is going to be more descriptive of a carburation problem than speed. When it is "bucking on hard acceleration above 40 mph", I assume that means you are in the main circuit of the carb. I'd suspect you main have a blockage of the main jet on the #3 carb. However, your pipes should be equally warm at idle if that was the case...
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Engine rpm is 3500+ when the bucking occurs.
On the spark test, #1 gives one or two sparks then nothing.
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Does the tachometer work properly? On my 1997 Thunderbird, the tach gets the signal off of coil #1.
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The tach is OK - no fluctuations and the reading is consistent for the speed and gear.
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Bad plug wire or connection?
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Checked the plug wire resistances. All were around 5k ohms. Connectors on both ends look good for all wires and the coil connectors are clean.
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When idling, the exhaust pipe from cylinder number 3 is considerably cooler than the other two.
This cylinder is apparently not running at temperature. Here's my thought process, and maybe others will join in and expand on it:
There is a fuel air mixture contained in a closed cylinder which is then ignited. That seems like three variables to me - 1 is the fuel mixture, which of course has its own carb feeding it, so this would need to be checked, as mentioned by Scot. 2 is the ring and valves which keep the cylinder sealed, and can be checked with a cylinder pressure gauge or leakdown tester. Not likely with low miles, but not impossible either. 3 is the spark, and here your test results seem to widen the possibilities to something broader than just this one cylinder.

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I checked the spark on each of the cylinders, which gave a weird result. The spark on cylinders 2 and 3 is good, but I get little or no spark on cylinder 1.
I swapped the coils (1->2->3->1), but got the same result on the spark test and, when running the engine, the pipe from #3 is still cooler.
Okay, cylinder 1 has an ignition issue, cylinder 3 is running cold, but cylinder 2 is just fine. Maybe this T-BIrd was a thumper in a past life Sorry, back to the problem. Here's some ideas: maybe you have a bigger ignition problem that reveals itself at cylinder 1 all of the time, and cylinder 3 only when you are running the engine up at a higher rpm. You've found that cylinder 1 isn't getting the job done, but maybe #3 isn't either at speed, and this is why it is running cold. Possibility #2 is that you have two different problems which together give you the rough running and other symptoms. I would first eliminate the coils as a possibility, even given their low miles and relative youth. I have a perfectly good set of Gill coils that came off my Legend, and I would be happy to send them on loan for the cost of shipping. You could test your bike with these known good coils, and then send them back when you are finished. It would quickly eliminate at least one possibility from your plate. I have no knowledge of the ignitor beyond what I have read here, so maybe someone who has replaced theirs can chime in with whether or not this could also be the problem. I am assuming a bad ignitor would be across the board and not just specific to cylinders 1 and 3, but maybe I'm wrong on that.
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Engine rpm is 3500+ when the bucking occurs.
This suggests a potential issue with the main jet on #3...
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