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Old 11-20-2012, 12:43 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The document is known, only it makes no exact information about what happens, except for the log function,
when you load with an unauthorized tool, something to the ECU (ECM / CDI).

Or have I overlooked something?

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No matter how you enter the waveform, she still is math'd to produce the analog back out. If you look at the way I see it, the map is made like a rubik's cube. Every color is a map to chase. Meaning, each color is ROM (read only this memory) or lookup table.

If you toggle from 1 to 5, 5 being rich, 1 being lean, you still have to be within the color or the ROM tables, right? 5 colors is still the ECU is forced to read the ROM to compute. So if the rev limiter is still written in the ECU, it is still safe to use. Get it?

It seems to say, "We see you extended the rpm, and now claim a bent valve sort of scenario?" 'We also see a poor driveability map change, and you now want a new set of spark plugs?' 'Oh, look at that! You set so many codes, WATT were you thinking!".... [Under warranty!]

In bulletin speak = Warranty Denied; "Before you [the dealer] make a claim to us, download the ECU for fault codes.' 'Since there are no codes present, but a fuel map is being monitored by the DAC [chip on the motherboard is the final call to the ign/fuel]... 'You are in big trouble now, Spanky!' 'You may now charge the customer for (diagnosing) tampering under warranty, and a new [set] of plugs, plus installation.' 'We are just bean counters covering our butts on our end and can tell what you've been doing."

There are two ROM settings:

1. Normal running = ROM is reading under analog is the X factor.
2. Backup Mode = ROM still reads those limp lookup tables, which the Y factor still computes with.
3. Bike is safe to run either way = Final [factor] Z bike keeps running in either FULL Power or in Limp SAFE MODE.

Wink-WINK is WATT did I just explain in the generic?!!

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Old 11-22-2012, 09:23 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Is Alain or you Tom working this out (or seeking a hack)?

On big asset that made me buying another triumph is tuneECU for sure. If I didn't have it I would have looked more on the BMW side. I bought a gt so I am ok for now

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Old 11-22-2012, 11:04 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Is Alain or you Tom working this out (or seeking a hack)?..........
If it is possible at all, then that can only Alain, he is the programmer.

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Old 11-23-2012, 03:12 AM   #14 (permalink)
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If it is possible at all, then that can only Alain, he is the programmer.

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So probably he'll need a dead bike to get the ECU and funds to buy it. Maybe a little early to find a dead tiger explorer.

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Old 11-23-2012, 05:17 AM   #15 (permalink)
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So probably he'll need a dead bike to get the ECU and funds to buy it. Maybe a little early to find a dead tiger explorer.

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....or a willing owner cum guinea pig

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Old 12-18-2012, 09:58 AM   #16 (permalink)
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My reading of the documentation, plus sensible implementation, is that changing a Map (including parameters such as rev limit) would flag a "tamper" but would not shutdown the ECU.

If it were a shutdown scenario then there'd be a fair few Daytona 675 racers that would not be happy to have that flexibility taken away.

Yes, I understand Triumph's legitimacy in protecting the terms of warranty provision. No, I would see no point in killing an ECU if a tamper flag is tripped.

The liability rests with the owner for changes outside the control of the factory.

That's acceptable to me (waive engine failure warranty where attributable to ECU tampering).

What would not be acceptable, for example, is refusing warranty on any other aspect of the bike (even engine) if tamper flag is tripped. eg. faulty casting, oil leak, faulty cam tensioner.
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Technically it doesn't even have to be on a new model. It's possible for Triumph to tell if any model has had the map changed by a non-Triumph diagnostic unit. At least that's what the dealer communiqué have said.
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Old 12-27-2012, 11:43 PM   #18 (permalink)
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What i want to know is, is the dealer, with the new 2013 bike, could change the map in the ECU if i want to change the stock muffler for an aftermarket slipon for exemple?
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Yes they can. Nothing has changed on the dealer end of this.
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And there would be no warranty implications provided the dealer does it and it is a Triumph factory tune. (EDIT: Triumph have "aftermarket" tunes for generic exhausts. There are also the "Arrows" tunes which still may be more suitable for a non-Arrows pipe.)

If warranty was otherwise not a concern, or was out of warranty period, then I'm presuming (from what has corresponded so far) that there is NO TECHNICAL REASON why TuneECU could not connect to and change a map.

ie. TuneECU won't "kill" the ECU, it'll just flag in the ECU that it's been fiddled with by a non-Triumph tool....no biggy.

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