I know Triumph has 3 tunes for the Daytona. The T0R, the base map, and what is the other one?

How sensitive is the mapping?

Reason I ask is that I put a slip-on my 02 955i and it seemed to run ok. The previous owner had a service 800 miles ago and a new map was installed (it did not say which one on the paperwork). I went to the Dealer and had them put the ToR tune in and it ran like garbage. Breaking up under acceleration, sputtering and losing power with abrupt throttle changes.

I went back to the dealer and they put back in the base map...still runs poorly but is a little better but still horrible (and I had to ride the bike 300 miles home today that way).

I replaced the plugs for fun and that made no change. I have been through 2 tanks of fuel, no change. I am going to call the dealer who put in the map before and see if they have a record of what tune was in there.

My bike is stock excpet for the slip-on.

Bike has under 3000 miles on it.

There are only 2 tunes available for your bike - std & after-market exhaust.
There are 4 tunes total for your model year, however 2 are for ones fitted with SAI and two for bikes without.



I would suggest you should have your dealer install the one for after-market exhaust - so 10179 or 10181 depending on whether you have SAI or not.

Did the bike run OK with the tune that was installed when you bought it? Did it have after-market exhaust then or did you add this afterwards? What drove you to have new (TORS) tune installed - because it was running badly, or because you felt you should after installing slip-on?

Sounds to me like if it was running somewhat decent before the dealer has installed incorrect tunes - both times possibly!

Edit - from this post you said bike was running great then you removed the baffle from the exhaust - did things go South immediately after that, or was it still running OK, but you felt (on advice from me among others!) that you should install the TORS tune?

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Thanks, the dealer put 10181 and then we went back to stock tune.

Bike had stock pipe, I added the slip-on and then rode to the dealer to get the TOR tune (figured it would be even better).

How do I know if I have secondary air injection? Is that only california models?

The person at the dealership had directions and seemed pretty new to the handheld computer.

Originally Posted by Pinballer

Thanks, the dealer put 10181 ...

Do you know that for a fact that was the tune#?

If you have secondary air you will see a manifold on top of the cam cover with three pipes leading to a valve which then has another pipe leading to the air box. If no SAI, id doesn't have any of that junk.

So - bike rode good before & after the exhaust, (including ride to dealers shop) then he installs first the TORS, then the base & in both cases it ran poorly? Is that accurate?
If that's the case they clearly screwed something up!!! (potentially wrong tune)

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AH...yes, secondary is there...funky thing in the airbox.

Yes, she wrote 10181 on their card.

Now you may be onto something, I think she put 10178 back in.


As for the stock bafflectomy, my Brother gave me a slip-on, I have removed the stock cannister and have a new system. It ran great with the tune that was in the bike with the modified stock pipe and the new slip-on.

I will call my local dealer tomorrow and set up an appointment to ensure the correct tune is installed.

So now my question is this.

When I changed my plugs after they put in my tune, they were white (lean), after only 40 miles.

I now hauled ass for 300 miles today. Does my engine have damage from being lean?
Was the clicking noise I heard while idling at the first gas stop a peice of sparkplug electrode bouncing around in my cylinder?

I will get the right tune asap and change the plugs.

Unbelievable - seems like they put in a non-SAI tune on your SAI bike?
I think I'd be having a word with the manager - did they charge you any money? Least they can do is comp you something, if only for all your extra running around!
You probably wouldn't have much effect at rpm, only in the low TP range.

Just to validate, this is what SAI looks like

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Pinballer, The Cali emissions units seem to have shown up everywhere for some reason. The way you describe your D955i's performance is similar to when I reinstalled my OEM can after having 10181 installed for my TOR can...curious minds and all that.

The ECU may still have the base tune on an attached label...it's too faded on the '02 here to read. Non SAIS base tune is 10128 and the 10152 looks to be simply a patch for the speedo diagnostic. (My '04 has 10128 on it's label, but 10152 had been installed by the dealer before I bought it.)

Some cans don't always require a TOR tune (2bros comes to mind), but the 10179 tune seems to cross the bridge well with aftermarket cans and OEM ones.

Brad

Originally Posted by bradtx

..... Non SAIS base tune is 10128 and the 10152 looks to be simply a patch for the speedo diagnostic. (My '04 has 10128 on it's label, but 10152 had been installed by the dealer before I bought it.) ...

Sorry, that's not quite correct Brad - In the table above 10152 is the base tune from which the final tune is derived - 10152 is in fact a Speed Triple tune (std exhaust, no SAI). All the 02+ Sagem ECM Triples are based on this tune as the building block, but the final tunes for each model are quite, quite different. It absolutely should not have 10152 in that bike.
The latest Daytona tunes (with speedo fix) are those in the table above.

I believe 10128 is the 'old' (pre speedo fix) tune for Daytona with OEM exhaust, 10129 being with after-market. The base tune (S3) was 10093 for that series. Those tune are no longer even available with the 10152 series replacing them.

With after-market exhaust I would definitely recommend 10179 or 10181 (depending on SAI or not)

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Unbelievable, But not uncommon. I also had the dealer download an sai tune onto a non sai bike ran horribly all the way home (1 1/2 hr drive). When my tuneboy arrived two days later I was able to confirm this. Talked directly to the owner who refunded my money and gave me a $25.00 gift certificate.Never been back since.