Triumphrat

MQracing · 04-24-2007, 10:08 PM

Hi guys:

had a spill on Sunday after hitting some loose stuff--- I'm ok with the expected bumps, bruises, and sore ribbies (ouch). I stopped before the tree--- the bike stipped at the tree--- hitting pretty much at the headlights into the trunk as it slide along the ground.

My cousin got the bike back and has taken off all the bad parts and inventoried what needs to be replaced if I am to rebuild it to factory specs. He used the Bikebandit schematics and pricelists. Essentially nose of the fairing, headlamps, internal bracket for all of this, left side body work, kep pod (broke at bottom of), and misc....
My cousing priced it all out at close to 3K using bikebandit prices.

I had no collision--- so I am rebuilding from my own pocket---

I've been thinking of rebuilding it as a naked (i.e., speed triple clone). How practical would this be? Any less expensive?

Or do you guys know of other fairings or approaches that I should consider? Pictures would be great.

thanks,

Mike

bradtx · 04-25-2007, 09:27 AM

Mike, Sorry about your get-off and hope you heal quickly and fully! You may want to double check with your insurance people if you're paying for full coverage.

There are several Daytonas that have been partially to fully converted to S3 configuration on the forum so do a search for those. The '02 and '03 bodywork will also fit if you find some. Also check to see if anyone repairs ABS. I've seen some repairs that are perfect.

Brad

TechmanBD · 04-25-2007, 12:43 PM

Sorry to hear you went down, hope you are ok.

Here is a thread on BombFactory's bike he is converting
Also a member named DeCosse has done the same thing

CLICK HERE for BombFactory's Bike

99Torque · 04-25-2007, 02:17 PM

I gather you saw this thread, too bad, I hope you find a solution...

http://www.triumphrat.net/modules.ph...78920&forum=36

Euro · 04-25-2007, 11:16 PM

There are a good number of guys who convert Daytona's to S3s. It's an easy conversion. All you have to is rip off the fairing, which in your case is half way completed, and put on some new head lights. You could also wait for some used body panels to come up for sale from people who wiped out on the opposite side as you did. I'm glad to hear you're doing ok after your wreck, and I feel your pain as to the cost of moto parts.

luiz · 04-25-2007, 11:29 PM

You can try to buy parts from e-bay. There have beem times when you could assembly a complete Daytona from parts coming from 2 or 3 salvaged bikes. Final auction prices are much bellow dealers prices. Do not spoil the Daytona into a S3!

BombFactory · 04-26-2007, 03:25 AM

Really sorry to hear about the spill--at least it wasn't you hitting the tree :upthumb:

Ebay and TRat classifieds are your best bet for used parts. I would try your hardest to find all the expensive parts (i.e. fairings, cockpit subframe, etc) used before going to Bikebandit. Some things to keep in mind about going with a rebuild or converting to a Speedtona.

Rebuilding to Stock:
If you do get all the parts, everything is pretty much a bolt-on situation with little modifications--some tweaking of brackets maybe. A problem that you could run into is if you couldn't find fairings that match your color. This can become very costly, as you'd need to have them painted and the decals are very expensive. If you decided to go with no decals all around, you'd have to have the other fairings painted as well because the stock decals are placed on the base-coat and then the clear-coat is painted over them. The other issue is that if you ended up buying new fairings from Bikebandit the color would not match--unless by sheer luck. That's not a huge issue, because you'd be going from one side of the bike to the other so I doubt the average eye would be able to tell the difference.

Converting to Speedtona:
Other than your personal taste, the benefits of going this route are that those aftermarket headlights I linked to on the project thread are $200. I would be very surprised if you could find a cockpit subframe, headlight, fairing, and any other needed pieces for less--if even that. If you went with the aftermarket headlights you'd need to build some sort of a bracket for your speedo to mount on, but your old subframe might be of use for that--with some modification of course. Using the old speedo mount would also alleviate any hand control to speedo clearance issues that I'm experiencing. The other route would be to go with risers and a handlebar setup. You might be able to drill the riser holes straight through the Daytona top triple clamp or you might be able to get a stock S3 top clamp; although D'Ecosse would know if this would work, as I don't have a Daytona or S3 clamp to examine. You'd spend money on risers, handlebar, longer brake lines, and possibly longer cables, but your old hand controls would interchange if you got a 7/8" handlebar. If you did go with the stock clutch lever and master cylinder assembly you would need to figure out something for mirrors, as the Daytona hand controls don't accommodate mirrors. You could find S3 clutch/master cylinder assemblies, or another make with similar mirror mounts. That stuff isn't a huge deal, as many makes run 7/8 bars with similar/same clutch levers/master cylinders. I'm sure there are other things I am leaving out, but I think I have all the major things covered. :razz:

I do have a question though:
Judging by the description of the damage I assume that it was a decently hard hit. Have you done extensive investigation into the condition of the wheel, forks, triple tree, frame, etc? I say this more out of a safety concern, but that could also change your whole plan of attack. If your suspension/frame is good, I say fix the bike back up--whether going stock or Speedtona! It's a great experience and if you bide your time and watch your wallet you could save yourself a lot of money--although the real payoff, in my opinion, is the satisfaction of doing the work yourself. Let me extended any help I can give, so please feel free to PM me with any questions you may have. If I can't answer them I can get an answer :-D Keep us posted on the progress.

MQracing · 04-26-2007, 05:24 PM

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On 2007-04-26 01:25, BombFactory wrote:

.... the benefits of going this route are that those aftermarket headlights I linked to on the project thread are $200. ....

I've looked and looked in the thread on your bike and could not find the source for your headlights or a url for them. They look super and the price is quite good indeed.

::::I would be very surprised if you could find a cockpit subframe, headlight, fairing, and any other needed pieces for less--if even that. If you went with the aftermarket headlights you'd need to build some sort of a bracket for your speedo to mount on, but your old subframe might be of use for that--with some modification of course.::::

my instrument pod (haven't seen the bike yet myself) is supposed to be ok. there is a bracket that mounts to the steering coloumn and located a range of "bits" that is broken but we have all the pieces--- if we need to use it as a model.

::::Using the old speedo mount would also alleviate any hand control to speedo clearance issues that I'm experiencing.::::

I'm wondering how the S3 type headlights will fit with the daytona instrument cluster--- I don't know if the instrument clusters are the same sizes or not btwn the two models.

::::The other route would be to go with risers and a handlebar setup.::::

Preliminary plans are to use the LSL top tree with risers and their superbike low bar (comes in kit) for $400. Someone in a post above kindly suggested looking at one for sale in the classifieds-- but the used kit was for an earlier model year daytona.

I would have probably wound up putting heli-bars or some other riser bars on my tona anway--- so this "expense" would have occurred accident or not.

::: If you did go with the stock clutch lever and master cylinder assembly you would need to figure out something for mirrors, as the Daytona hand controls don't accommodate mirrors.::::

wouldn't bar end mirrors be an option here? then if I found I really hated them I could later get the S3 controls and switch over? Is this a reasonalbe game plan?

::: I'm sure there are other things I am leaving out, but I think I have all the major things covered. :razz: ::::

thank-you for your great response.

::: Have you done extensive investigation into the condition of the wheel, forks, triple tree, frame, etc? I say this more out of a safety concern, but that could also change your whole plan of attack. If your suspension/frame is good, I say fix the bike back up--whether going stock or Speedtona! ::::

My cousin picked up the bike and has it at his garage. I will be up there this weekend. My cousin has raced and fabricated many, many parts, assemblies, and complete race cars--- for now I am going on his analysis---- once I take a look then I will decide whether any further outside analysis is necessary.

As far as I can tell--- and by blurred memory--- the bike slide into the tree on the ground and hit pretty squarely right into the headlamps.

My cousin sez the rotors, calipers, front wheel essentially don't even have scratches on them. And that the bike rolled onto his trailer straight--- and that he could not find by eye or by running his finger up and down the fork tubes--- any damage (i.e., kinks in the fork tubes).

so--- part of this is preliminary planning--- but I will probably leave the bike up there (he has better tools and better garage space) till we get it rehabbed.

again, thanks.

Mike

t's a great experience and if you bide your time and watch your wallet you could save yourself a lot of money--although the real payoff, in my opinion, is the satisfaction of doing the work yourself. Let me extended any help I can give, so please feel free to PM me with any questions you may have. If I can't answer them I can get an answer :-D Keep us posted on the progress.

MQracing · 04-26-2007, 05:44 PM

Here is the url for the LSL handlebar kit (top tree, risers, bars) that I was going to use. comes with the LN1 superbike bar low. $400
Mine would bee for the 04 and newer version.

http://www.spieglerusa.com/cfm/sbk.cfm

I need to check (unless one of you guys know) if this is the standard handlebar diameter and if I can fit bar end mirrors onto the bars. I also plan (for a start) to re-use my handlebar controls and front MC.

any advice--- look good?

Mike

[ This message was edited by: MQracing on 2007-04-26 15:45 ]

DEcosse · 04-26-2007, 07:31 PM

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On 2007-04-26 15:24, MQracing wrote:
I've looked and looked in the thread on your bike and could not find the source for your headlights or a url for them. They look super and the price is quite good indeed.

http://aztec8.com/_wsn/page2.html are the ones Bombfactory was referring to - the ones on his bike are off a speed4 (same parts as speed triple)

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I'm wondering how the S3 type headlights will fit with the daytona instrument cluster--- I don't know if the instrument clusters are the same sizes or not btwn the two models.

They are the same fit - you can use the S3 bracket which will mount exactly to your frame & fits both the lights (if you go OEM) & your speedo - you will have no interference issues with the bar kit.

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Preliminary plans are to use the LSL top tree with risers and their superbike low bar (comes in kit) for $400. Someone in a post above kindly suggested looking at one for sale in the classifieds-- but the used kit was for an earlier model year daytona.

I believe the only difference between the early & 04 models is the stem nut is different shape to complement the top clamp (new one has a bevelled taper I believe) - not sure if you can use the old model stem nut with the rev of clamp listed in the classifieds. I know the lower triple tree part number as well as the top clamp & nut all changed but not sure of the specific differences.
Safer to get the spec'd one of course if money no object.

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wouldn't bar end mirrors be an option here? then if I found I really hated them I could later get the S3 controls and switch over? Is this a reasonalbe game plan?

That is indeed a reasonable plan. However you don't need new controls or switches - all you need is the clamp bracket for the clutch perch & the master cylinder - about $22 each new.
I could almost guarantee someone on the S3 forum would swap you straight up for the Dyatona perch clamps - there are always posts by guys who want to know what to plug the threaded holes with after they remove the stalk (or even 'stock' LOL!) mirrors for bar-ends.

[ This message was edited by: DEcosse on 2007-04-26 17:36 ]