Triumphrat

Brooksie

I am relatively new to the Daytona world, so please bear with me. What ever happened to that 1300 or 1400 cc engine Triumph trotted out a couple of years ago that got leaked to the press? Was that beastie a triple of four cylinder?

Nickwiz

They cancelled the project. Didn't fit with the direction they wanted to head in and I reckon they thought
trying to go head to head with the ZZR1400 or Hayabusas of this world was a pointless exrcise.

Brooksie

Good point, Nickwiz. Was that a four cylinder engine? T

trypcil

My understanding was that the Euro self imposed vehicle speed limit of 155mph - read DOT dictat - persuaded Triumph from continuing with the Big motor as being contrary to that limit. The aim was to compete with the Jap boys but was deemed politically incorrect - in other words would have met hurdles at a Gov level in approving the engine at emissions certification etc.... hence it was dumped. The bike was radical in terms of power for sure but boasted an advanced fairing and wheel mudgaurd which was meant to bust the air resistance that horse power alone is unable to achieve - think NSU - dolphin fairying and the nose of the Hyabusa. The bike was kinda ugly but may have done the job - pity we'll never know.

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Diego

I can't find any reason to think it was any limits or pressure or suggestions from outside regarding speed that shelved the project. Unlike emission limits, to which they do design all bikes for compliance in the tightest country where marketed, speed restrictions are very easy to apply on a country-by-country basis. They already do that for the engine power limits imposed by France and Germany, for instance.

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John

Brooksie

Not having seen the bike in question clearly, do you guys think we are seeing its descendents in the Daytona 675 or are we talking strictly concept bike with the fairing/aerodynamics mentioned here earlier?

Nickwiz

The complience with the Euro limit theory is nonsensical.

Back in 93 when the Europrats were trying to get a 100bhp limit imposed, Triumph produced the 147bhp ( claimed I had mine dynoed at 130bhp ) Daytona 1200. They weren't too bothered about imposed limits then? The Daytona actualy helped blow the 100bhp limit into the weeds as the British Gov anxious to support a British company refused to sign up to the 100bhp limit. Without British support the 100bhp limit proposal collapsed.

So I don't think it was the power thing that scared Triumph off. I think it was more likely that they simply decided not to go head to head with huge Japanese companies but plough their own distinct path much as Ducati or Moto Guzzi ( both smallish European manufacturers ) do. As the Triumph ad says " Go your own way" It doesn't say "I'm turning japanese do ya think so ( thasrs a song there methinks )" :wink:

Brooksie

Great point again! If Triumph feels the need to develop a 1050 Daytona, it will only compete with the Speed Triple and Sprint. Here in the states, Triumph is gaining some ground in market share but it is more through building streetable products that are somewhat exclusive here. I love the bikes I have and think that if the Japenese mfgs. brought their full line to the states, like a CB1300 or CBF1000, they'd really put Triumph in hot water here. Schools out!

Diego

> If Triumph feels the need to develop a 1050 Daytona...[/i]

They don't. The whole point is, they don't have any intention of competing with the Japanese head-to-head. They'll do it in round-about ways only.

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Brooksie

>The whole point is.......

They can't compete with them. Give 'em 43 more years, and we'll have 'em where we want 'em!