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Daytona Deliberations For owners and riders of Daytona 900, 955, 1000 & 1200

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Old 12-06-2012, 03:23 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I think Dave has put his finger on a number of very important points.

I do however disagree in part with the sentiment "it cannot really be compared to a Japanese litre sports bike and was never marketed as such." My thought is that when the T595 was launched (1997), it was Triumph's idea to give the Japanese superbike manufacturers some competition. It took the market by storm -- particularly in the UK where the British biking fraternity went gaga for a British superbike. What Triumph however did not reckon with was the Japanese ability (due to their size and racing expertise) to soon trump their sterling efforts. It was only after the 2001 147hp engine upgrade that Triumph got 'cold feet' and settled on the idea of producing a true road-oriented superbike with some track potential. It was then that R&D stopped and Triumph marketed the bike until sales slumped to the point it was no longer worthwhile to manufacture and it was withdrawn in 2006 after a run-out model was produced utilising 1050 engine cases, anti-backlash gear; revised change mechanism, ST swing arm etc., simply to use up final part stocks and meet whatever final dealer stock orders were on the books.

One matter I did smile at: The relative size of the bike. For me, the two most comfortable two-up superbike-type bikes are the Triumph Daytona 955i and the Yamaha YZF1000R Thunderace (the latter having what must be the largest pillion seat in its class).

Hence, the size of the rider apart (here in SA the 'larger' riders own the much larger and heavier 'hyper-class' Busas, ZX14s or the older ZX12s and Honda CBR1100XX Blackbirds), for those of us who have wives (or significant others) as pillions who like speed, the Daytona as a superbike-type superbike is somewhat unmatched -- particularly those of us who are married not only to wives but the Triumph brand!

I smile because my wife and I tried out a new (2012) Yamaha R1 on Monday. (1) While an experienced pillion, she had great difficulty stretching to reach up to the pegs to get on! and (2), when she was on, Mrs Deanrider was perched like a frog on top, straining to reach between my bulk to rest her hands on the tank! Mrs Deanrider was thus unanimous in her decision: The Daytona 955i lends itself easily to two-up riding, whereas the crop of new Superbikes are (understandably) single rider machines with an 'ability' to 'lift' a passenger. As a result of their diminutive size (check out the Aprilia RSV4 as a case in point!), chassis/suspension setup and powerful engines the newer Superbikes are unmatched. Sadly, if Triumph do ever make a Superbike again (never, say never Triumph), the bike will probably be in the size of the RSV4 and totally unsuitable for my wife and I to ride together. That said, I would still probably (rather selfishly) buy one!




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Old 12-06-2012, 03:54 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I think eveyone is talking the same language here, maybe in the late 90's they were trying to compete but these days that is not why you would buy a 955.

Lets not forget, again in the "real" world of riding, how many SuperSports have OEM side panniers available for touring?!
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Old 12-06-2012, 04:17 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Lets not forget, again in the "real" world of riding, how many SuperSports have OEM side panniers available for touring?!
Really? What kind of panniers? Throw-overs I presume? I guess they would not work with the high mount TORS exhaust though...
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Old 12-06-2012, 06:42 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I think Dave has put his finger on a number of very important points.

Only because I have really big hands and fat fingers

I do however disagree in part with the sentiment "it cannot really be compared to a Japanese litre sports bike and was never marketed as such." My thought is that when the T595 was launched (1997), it was Triumph's idea to give the Japanese superbike manufacturers some competition. It took the market by storm -- particularly in the UK where the British biking fraternity went gaga for a British superbike. What Triumph however did not reckon with was the Japanese ability (due to their size and racing expertise) to soon trump their sterling efforts. It was only after the 2001 147hp engine upgrade that Triumph got 'cold feet' and settled on the idea of producing a true road-oriented superbike with some track potential. It was then that R&D stopped and Triumph marketed the bike until sales slumped to the point it was no longer worthwhile to manufacture and it was withdrawn in 2006 after a run-out model was produced utilising 1050 engine cases, anti-backlash gear; revised change mechanism, ST swing arm etc., simply to use up final part stocks and meet whatever final dealer stock orders were on the books.

I think you know more about Daytona 955 history than I do Dean so I will go with you on all that

One matter I did smile at: The relative size of the bike. For me, the two most comfortable two-up superbike-type bikes are the Triumph Daytona 955i and the Yamaha YZF1000R Thunderace (the latter having what must be the largest pillion seat in its class).

Hence, the size of the rider apart (here in SA the 'larger' riders own the much larger and heavier 'hyper-class' Busas, ZX14s or the older ZX12s and Honda CBR1100XX Blackbirds), for those of us who have wives (or significant others) as pillions who like speed, the Daytona as a superbike-type superbike is somewhat unmatched -- particularly those of us who are married not only to wives but the Triumph brand!

I smile because my wife and I tried out a new (2012) Yamaha R1 on Monday. (1) While an experienced pillion, she had great difficulty stretching to reach up to the pegs to get on! and (2), when she was on, Mrs Deanrider was perched like a frog on top, straining to reach between my bulk to rest her hands on the tank! Mrs Deanrider was thus unanimous in her decision: The Daytona 955i lends itself easily to two-up riding, whereas the crop of new Superbikes are (understandably) single rider machines with an 'ability' to 'lift' a passenger. As a result of their diminutive size (check out the Aprilia RSV4 as a case in point!), chassis/suspension setup and powerful engines the newer Superbikes are unmatched. Sadly, if Triumph do ever make a Superbike again (never, say never Triumph), the bike will probably be in the size of the RSV4 and totally unsuitable for my wife and I to ride together. That said, I would still probably (rather selfishly) buy one!

Also kind of funny 'cos I have my Daytona seat up and registered as a solos seater - but then I do have the uber comfortable Sprint GT for sporty riding with Mrs DaveM




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Old 12-06-2012, 08:54 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I traded to a dirty T595 with unknown problems and 30k miles.
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A clean 03 CBR f4i with 16k miles that had no problems.

The Jap bikes are lighter with more power on the top end and with really cheap maintenance while having bullet proof engines (for the most part).

Yet I still traded for a bike with nearly double miles, 5 years older and unknown maintenance history. Like a Ducati... there's an intangible factor to these bikes that adds weight to decision making process.
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Old 12-06-2012, 01:48 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I see CBRs, F1s, ZX14s, Busas, etc... all day every day. Boring.

I see one every once in a while with a custom paint job that stands out - but in a place where I see motorcycles on the road every day all year long - they all just blend together after a while.

The Daytona is unique, different, and rare (at least around here). The chances of me pulling up next to another one is slim - although it did finally happen (after a year of owning it) just recently.

My bike is almost 12 years old and still grabs the attention of a wide demographic of people. Not to mention, for the money (I have 4000 dollars in mine total) - I can't think of much else I could have as much fin with.

If I wanted the pinnacle of performance, the best handling bike, or to go so fast that the hair on my scalp started growing out of my feet... then I would have looked elsewhere. However, to have a bit of fun with something that has some fun power, looks great after all those years, and that I don't have to make payments on - I can't think of much else that I could buy.

I waited until I was in my mid-thirties to buy a sport-bike, cause in my twenties, I would have surely killed myself on something like a Busa or similar... and that is what I would have looked for. Still, when I was finally looking for bikes on craigslist, and I saw the Daytona, I didn't even know what it was - but I liked it instantly. When I was looking, I was looking for an older CBR or R1, so I could play with it for a while, and then upgrade to something newer - cause a ten year old jap bike looks dated (IMHO). Instead, I saved myself a ton of cash and I am VERY happy with my purchase.

What that says about how it compared back then, or how it stacks up, I'm not really sure, but I can say for sure that I wouldn't trade straight up for any comparable jap bike.

If someone were to offer me a 1000RR, I might consider it though

All that said, like any vehicle, none of it really matters. You could argue Camaro vs Mustang all day, compare years, stats, performance, price... whatever. In the end... when you drive it; Does it make you happy? That is all that makes a... crap... in the grand scheme.

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Old 12-06-2012, 05:55 PM   #17 (permalink)
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The last year for the Daytona was 2006, and it compared Very well to a 2004 CBR1000. The Daytona had more power down low where the Honda makes all it's power on the top. But they where very close in power weight and handling, and braking. That is saying a lot for a bike that was just filling the last orders to be 2 years behind the top bike. compared to today's bikes it is on par with the daytona 675, Kawasaki 650, and ducati 848. not bad still for a bike over 100lbs heaver than the next heaviest one. all the new supersport bikes of today are high on Track Performance, and Low on street Performance. The 02- 06 Daytona is the best Sport/Turing bike ever built. Big and comfortable, Big gas tank, and can fight out a corner with any bike ever built. I have guys all the time that pull 100 yards on me on a straight in the mountains, I catch them on the brakes and ride their ass through the corners till the make a brake for it on the next straight a way. Next corner I have their ass again. most give up and let me pass after 30 min of that. I know they are steaming under the helmet when they see a old Daytona ride them so hard.
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Old 12-06-2012, 06:25 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Thanks for the feedback guys. I had a feeling that the guy that wanted to trade his FZ1 was kind of squidy. On the ad for his bike said he would sell for cash or foodstamps...so there's that.
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I don't own a 955i, but a Daytona 1200SE. I don't fit on the newer small liter class. I love the looks of the T595 and 955i, and they are maybe the one liter bike I would consider as comfortable. Best thing about them in my opinion is the sound - especially with the race can. That is such aural satisfaction, I would own one just for that, and the sensorary pleasure of rolling on the throttle to the next curve.

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Old 12-07-2012, 01:52 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I guess its time the wee beastie that we all love should break cover

Here are some pics of my own 2002 955i Daytona Centennial Edition







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