Triumphrat

Wolf · 10-23-2012, 10:52 AM

DSSA955i - can you clear your PMs - I'm trying to reply to you but keep being told you have exceeded your stored quota so no new messages can be sent. Sorry for the thread hijack!

sardinecan · 10-29-2012, 12:45 AM

Still haven't made my battery purchase. I have a couple questions about the Ballistic.

1) What did you pay for it?

2) Since it's smaller what do you do to prevent it from shifting around in the battery box?

Thanks.

sardinecan · 10-29-2012, 12:58 AM

Man I like the benefits of the Ballistic. The only issue keeping me from getting one is wanting the balance charger to go with it. That's another $80.

Felony · 10-29-2012, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sardinecan

Still haven't made my battery purchase. I have a couple questions about the Ballistic.

1) What did you pay for it?

2) Since it's smaller what do you do to prevent it from shifting around in the battery box?

Thanks.

2) The Li battery usually comes with foam packing that can be placed around the battery in your battery box. I know Shorai batteries come with it.

Felony · 11-07-2012, 11:32 PM

From what I've read, the Shorai charger plugs into the battery and has the capacity to balance charge. No need for an extra terminal to do so.

DaveM · 11-10-2012, 03:52 PM

So Sardinecan what did you go with?

I am very happy with the performance of my Gelmat type Deka battery but like the weight savings on these new dry-cell batteries.

Next time I need a new battery I'll be plumping for a Shorai or Ballistic, unless there is something even better by then.

Now my charging system is fully upgraed, ststor, mosfet reg/rec and heavier guaghe rerouted wiring etc I hope my Deka lasts for ages

cheers
Dave

sardinecan · 12-22-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveM

So Sardinecan what did you go with?

I am very happy with the performance of my Gelmat type Deka battery but like the weight savings on these new dry-cell batteries.

Next time I need a new battery I'll be plumping for a Shorai or Ballistic, unless there is something even better by then.

Now my charging system is fully upgraed, ststor, mosfet reg/rec and heavier guaghe rerouted wiring etc I hope my Deka lasts for ages

cheers
Dave

Hi DaveM - I finally got around to replacing my battery about a week ago. After hemming and hawing and wanting to get the Ballistic I ended up with a Yuasa YTX14H-BS, same as I had before for $77 USD shipped to my door.

I just couldn't justify the Ballistic, mainly because of the extra money on a special charger (I know you don't have to have it, but I would have wanted it). Plus I may have needed to fiddle with my negative lead from the R/R and it was more trouble than it was worth.

The Yuasa is the high performance series and is rated for 240 CCA if I recall correctly. Started the bike real good the other morning in low 30 degree F weather.

Hypurone · 12-23-2012, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DSSA955i

Second, the internals of the Shorai are essentially the same thing as the Ballistic, however, it is a significantly larger and heavier package, raising the question of why are Shorais so big? Neither has an over discharge curcuit so it's clearly not that. Not true. You need to do some more reading. The Shorai's use prismatic cells vs the cylindrical cells (used in power tools!) in the Ballistic. The Ballistic can't even crank my Thruxton! 3 of them failed to do so and the Shorai has worked perfectly

Third, and most important to the life span of the battery, as of last time I looked, Shorai does not have a balancing terminal on their batteries. Without this you cannot refresh the battery to new and extend it's life and accurate power delivery. Ballistic batteries have this terminal. Shorai has an internal charge level regulator/balancer, you don't even need the special charger you need with Ballistic

Either way, I think both would suite well, however the Ballistics 8 cell is significantly smaller and lighter than the Shorai, while providing the same function at similar price point with the potential for longer life. ?? Significantly ??

specs for the 8 cell Ballistic:
Dimensions (Standard): 4.5" (L) x 2.5" (W) x 4.25" (H)
Weight: 768 grams (1.7 lb)
CCA: 275

Specs for the Shorai equal:
Dimensions: 5.83L x 2.6W x 4.13H
Weight: 1.88lb
CCA: 270

Just need to play devil's advocate here and not attacking you in any way.

I have had the complete opposite experience with Ballistic and Shorai. I bought Ballistics for both bikes and while it worked for about a month in the Monster (11.4:1 compression) it started failing shortly after and I replaced it with a Shorai which hasn't missed a beat. As mentioned, 3 new Ballistics wouldn't even crank my lower compression Thruxton motor right out of the box. Installed a Shorai and cranked perfectly. Now I have a 944cc kit with higher compression (11:1) and the Shorai is still cranking strong every time....