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Old 10-11-2009, 08:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Heads-Up - PC3 on EBay

Heads-up - Came across this PC3 on EBay with already modified OEM harness for 955 Speed Triple or Daytona.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=130288815990

Absolutely no affiliation with seller or knowledge of the actual component's viability.
Just seems like a good deal at about a third of the price and an already modified harness into the bargain. It looks like there is no programming cable but that is just a mini-USB to USB cable; also software is free download off PC site.

Tuneboy still 'king-o-the-hill' for me on a Triumph, but I run PC3 on my TL - easy to program.
You can also get much easier tuning from independents on a PC3 than a Tuneboy.

Maybe make someone a good home.
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Old 10-12-2009, 02:07 AM   #2 (permalink)
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i don't mean to play dumb or anything, but what exactly is the benefit of having a Power commander or tuneboy? What exactly is their purpose?
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If you have after-market exhaust and want to get the fueling dialed in correctly, then you need one of these tools. You take your bike to a dyno and map it for optimum hp and fuel across the whole load spectrum.
The PC3 will only allow you to remap your fueling, while the Tuneboy can do your timing map also, as well as give you direct access to the ECM constants (like fan temp, idle speed setting, etc)
Tuneboy also gives you full diagnostic access to all the sensors on the bike.
The primary difference in how they operate is that Tuneboy writes directly to the ECM; as you can see in the EBay ad, PC3 is a piggy-back' additional module that actually modifies the ECM's injector drive en-route to the injectors.

As mentioned earlier, one advantage of PC3 is that you can take it to just about any local dyno and they will be able to tune it - dynojet equipment & software & familiarity is extremely widespread.
In fact with Dynojet the 'tuner' doesn't even have to do anything - they just plug it in, run a few passes and the automated program spits out the settings.
Try even mentioning Tuneboy to most operators and they'll just give you funny look ....
There are also maps available that others have developed (on dyno) that you can simply load yourself. (applies to both PC3 and Tuneboy)

If you look at this post you can see a couple of example 'maps'
As you can see, there are two axes - Throttle position and rpm - each cell represents a value for how much fuel is applied at that element
PC3, as mentioned earlier, is a delta system from the map in the ECM - so those values are either added (or subtracted if -ve) to the starting value.
With Tuneboy, that would be equivelant of the fuel trim table
You really don't have to worry too much about the complexities of the table - the dyno operator will work that out
Or you can just plug in an already developed map.
You can find some maps directly on the PC3 site for example
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DEcosse -
Do you know of anyone here in the bay area that can get my T595 dialed in? I have an after market exhaust - the bike runs great, but I know that the tune can be a lot better.
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Do you have PC3 or Tuneboy already?
Without either of those you can't tune it.
Only option is the TOR map from Triumph and that's one-size-fits-all.
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if i have the TOR exhaust and the TOR map, will adding the PC3 really make a difference since the tune is already mapped for the TOR specific exhaust?
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Do you have PC3 or Tuneboy already?
Without either of those you can't tune it.
Only option is the TOR map from Triumph and that's one-size-fits-all.
My buddy has a Tuneboy - I would just have to purchase an extra key
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I think moto (Derek) who posts on this forum could do that for you.
Moto-lab
He's in Redwood City.

Or you could start with one of these.
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I think moto (Derek) who posts on this forum could do that for you.
Moto-lab
He's in Redwood City.

Or you could start with one of these.
DEcosse - Thanks! Yeah - I want to get my T595 dialed in perfect and I know that the tuneboy will make a huge difference. My friend changed his 675 tune and its amazing.
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Anyone have any idea if this would plug into a 2004-2006 daytona 955i??

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