Triumphrat

duncan67 · 11-26-2012, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by grzegorz

u got too excited everyone knows its just film and everyone knows thats it is impossible to wheelie america or speede............but at least America was in a film

No excitement here,just making sure doubt is given as some of the fellas on this thread are over hopeful on the abilitys of there little p twin

Lasermax · 12-12-2012, 08:03 AM

You can wheelie anything you want, provided you have the kahonies and skill. And insurance. Case in point...

duncan67 · 12-12-2012, 07:00 PM

Yet again someone posts "proof" that isn't comparable to the america! The gold wing [I assume] shown has quite a bit more hp and tq then the little ptwin does. It has nothing to do with balls or skill but everything to do with simple math.

zelatore · 12-13-2012, 12:28 PM

I have no proof, and I agree that the America doesn't make much power at all. And even worse, it's a cruiser with a long wheelbase.

I do still believe it's possible. Not for the average guy, and maybe not for a stock geared bike, but I have no problem believing some stunt squid somewhere could do it. Those guys do things that shouldn't be possible all the time!

Hmm....I think I'll sit on the handlebars with my feet hanging over the front wheel and still do a wheelie. Done.

How do they do it? How do they get the traction on the rear wheel to loft the thing when they're sitting on the bars? I don't know, but they do.

I'm not trying to get into a pissing match over this; it's really sort of foolish since it's just not the sort of bike people buy for that sort of riding so who really cares, right? But I bet if you paid one of those stunt boys enough money to ride one, he'd get it up and keep it up.

Lasermax · 12-13-2012, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan67

Yet again someone posts "proof" that isn't comparable to the america! The gold wing [I assume] shown has quite a bit more hp and tq then the little ptwin does. It has nothing to do with balls or skill but everything to do with simple math.

Nothing to do with skill, just simple math. Arm chair engineer to say the least.

Lasermax · 12-13-2012, 02:10 PM

Cuz they have skill. :-)

mag10 · 12-14-2012, 11:25 AM

those stunt bikes have huge rear sprockets, not stock. that is how they wheely so easily.
I am sure that a regeared america or speedmaster could get the front wheel up.
My non stock engine speedmaster will not pull the front wheel as it is (and I have tried) however if I was to put an 80 tooth rear sprocket on, even with the long wheel base it would come up easy.
FWIW both I have wheelied both the T bird and the R3 with no effort at required (2 up even). I don't do it a lot because I dont care to wreck the head bearings with all that weight coming down.

zelatore · 12-14-2012, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mag10

those stunt bikes have huge rear sprockets, not stock. that is how they wheely so easily.
I am sure that a regeared america or speedmaster could get the front wheel up.
My non stock engine speedmaster will not pull the front wheel as it is (and I have tried) however if I was to put an 80 tooth rear sprocket on, even with the long wheel base it would come up easy.
FWIW both I have wheelied both the T bird and the R3 with no effort at required (2 up even). I don't do it a lot because I dont care to wreck the head bearings with all that weight coming down.

Exactly my point. The America may be a dog, but gear the thing to the moon and it'll accelerate like a 'busa for the first 50 feet at least.

I think the primary issue is simply getting enough traction on the rear wheel. If you have enough grip, you can use the magic of torque multiplication to lift the front.

cruisin · 12-14-2012, 06:42 PM

So, has anyone watched the video I linked to where Jean Pierre Goy wheelies a BMW cruiser that is bone stock and only has 61HP? I see in online specs the America has 60. I don't think 1 less HP would stop him from doing the same thing with an America that he does with the R1200C. Otherwise someone stated why would you want to wheelie a bike that is not made to do so easily? You just destroy your machine that way

duncan67 · 12-16-2012, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lasermax

Nothing to do with skill, just simple math. Arm chair engineer to say the least.

You talk a bit like an armchair rider to me! A stock tba or speedy will not lift the front end,the only skill that would accomplish that would be the ability to fake a video of it.
To answer the hp number of the ba I am pretty sure that 60 hp is not at the rear wheel,I don't think the bmw has as much rake in the front as the ba either. Again,its not an equal comparison