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Old 04-05-2008   #1 (permalink)
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Chopper or CafeRacer

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I guess the Triumph designers watched to much easy rider with denis and peter or had to much guiness…
Look at all the vintage bikes or caferacers in our category and you will see, that the line from seat and tank is always straight and parallel to the line of the axles.

Except you drive a captain america from easy rider.


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I guess most of you maybe did not recognized this till now, but when you take a closer look at your Bonneville or Thruxton
you will recognize, that the line of tank and seat looks more like a chopper than a caferacer… For some reason the tank
mounts in the front are to high!!!

Watch the yellow Thrux... I animated the Tank from the original to the better position.

By the Way… no, i am not nuts… I am a perfectionist.. which makes my life not easy, but sometimes it helps
building bikes… Mostly little details make bikes look good and harmonious.












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You can solve this issue(for no bucks) not complete but at least a little. Just shorten the rubber from the tank mount
in the front a little and the tank is in the front about 7mm-10mm deeper. Sounds not much, but look at my bike, the difference
look is really noticeable if you now know what I changed.

You do not have to cut the rubber right from the start, just remove it first to see the difference (but do not drive without any rubber)
Look at the Thruxtons ore Bonnies with an aluminum tank… the have all a straight tank-seat line which is one of the reasons
why they look mostly good.

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Very cool idea, excuse me while i go out to the garage. lol
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once again pepe shows me the light!!!!!!!!!!! i think i'm going to start a pepe fan club! precious insight and detailed info with pics AND animation.
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I've been looking at this situation all winter, and really don't have a simple solution besides what Pepe has done. I think I'm just going to cut the mount off and weld it lower on the frame.

The only other way I can think of doing it, is making an eccentric rubber mount to go on the steel mount on the frame.

putting washers under the rear mount also helps a bit.
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The only other way I can think of doing it, is making an eccentric rubber mount to go on the steel mount on the frame.
That's what I was thinking... I'm sure there's something that can be modified to work.
Definately on the to-do list for my Bonnie.
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Not so quick........

Pepe the Perfectionist brings an interesting issue to the board. While I agree what Pepe writes “vintage bikes or caferacers in our category ………, that the line from seat and tank is always straight and parallel to the line of the axles.”

The “line” on the Thruxton should be examined more, before others decide to begin carving into the Rubber Tank Mounts to achieve what Pepe descibes, as the “line” may in fact already be there, and the modification made needlessly.

The Stock Bonneville, for one, is a poor example. With a 19” Front Rim, 29 or 28degree / 117 or 100mm Rake & Trail, depending on year of manufacture, and Rear Shocks that are 20mm shorter that the Thruxton, the Bonneville fresh out of the factory certainly isn’t a Café, and more like the Cruiser (or Chopper) it looks like.

The Thruxton, does fit the Café Bill and I would contend that the ‘Line’ on the Thruxton is level. The front rim at 18” is much closer to the rear’s 17”, the Rake & Trail is much shorter than the Bonneville at 27 degrees / 97mm, and nearly an inch taller rear shock than the Bonnie.

Finally, take a picture or measure a horizontal line as Pepe did, but with the bike on a centerstand, or with a seated operator. More importantly, and to my point, with an operator sitting on the bike with the weight appropriately distributed, the level line, that Pepe eludes to, appears ‘Café’ correct.

Also, if you’re a perfectionist and really want to adjust the level or ‘pitch’ precisely, without irreversibly carving up parts, it would probably be a better idea to adjust with rubber spacers placed at the rear tank mount bolts under the front of the seat, to raise the rear and adjust the pitch that way.

The Triumph Thruxton (as well as the Bonneville) has a beautiful tank, with wonderful curves like no other motorcycle. The Thruxton does hold true to the Café Spirit, and I would say the line is level.


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Oh, we've noticed and discussed this issue before, but I don't think it ever ocurred to anyone to DO anything about it, and/or that doing something about it could be so easy. Nice job.

That said, I've often thought that the Triumph designers were going for a different look. Instead of that flat line along the bottom of the tank and into the seat, I think they were going for a sort of horizontal -S-, starting at the front of the tank, going along the top of the tank, meeting the seat, and then following the bottom of the seat. To my eye, the Thruxton looks just fine with the stock tank and seat (with the cowl). It starts looking pretty weird, however, when one experiments with other seats.
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