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post #871 of 971 (permalink) Old 03-19-2017, 10:55 PM
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Has anyone seen the Zard exhaust video in detail on YouTube? Don't watch the slip ons, keep your eye below the engine cover and you can see clear whisps of exhaust fumes coming from where the cat would connect with the headers. Either there is a mouse or a small weasel having a smoke under there or it is pretty shoddy workmanship. Looks like they would have decatted or just a triumph seal fault?



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Has anyone seen the Zard exhaust video in detail on YouTube? Don't watch the slip ons, keep your eye below the engine cover and you can see clear whisps of exhaust fumes coming from where the cat would connect with the headers. Either there is a mouse or a small weasel having a smoke under there or it is pretty shoddy workmanship. Looks like they would have decatted or just a triumph seal fault?
Yeah, and every time we fit a decat now, as we clamp up those gaskets we say "don't want a Zard, now do we?"

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you guys go ahead and blow that video out of proportion. Zard is known for quality products - innovative design, and first rate workmanship. You can blame poor installation on the product if you want to but it wouldn't stop me from buying Zard products. I've had them on a Ducati monster, and on my current Aprillia Tuono factory and I wouldnt hesitate to buy it for my Thruxton.
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you guys go ahead and blow that video out of proportion. Zard is known for quality products - innovative design, and first rate workmanship. You can blame poor installation on the product if you want to but it wouldn't stop me from buying Zard products. I've had them on a Ducati monster, and on my current Aprillia Tuono factory and I wouldnt hesitate to buy it for my Thruxton.
Well my guess would be that they either didn't fit one of the V-clamps properly, or they used one of those ****ty BC decats without any V-clamps at all.
It's good that you wouldn't hesitate to buy one of their products, and I doubt the OP's intention was to suggest you don't.
My comment was quite literally what Fenech said to me when we fitted a decat, and we both had a chuckle. It's now part of our standard vocabulary when working on exhaust systems
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you guys go ahead and blow that video out of proportion. Zard is known for quality products - innovative design, and first rate workmanship. You can blame poor installation on the product if you want to but it wouldn't stop me from buying Zard products. I've had them on a Ducati monster, and on my current Aprillia Tuono factory and I wouldnt hesitate to buy it for my Thruxton.


No offence meant and zard make great products, just made me chuckle that after going to the effort of effectively advertising the product on YouTube, there is a leak which doesn't exactly help the marketing.


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No offence meant and zard make great products, just made me chuckle that after going to the effort of effectively advertising the product on YouTube, there is a leak which doesn't exactly help the marketing.


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Don't think you could offend....i dont think flying bulldog owns Zard so it's moot. I guess we are all just having a bit of a laugh at Zards crappy fitment

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There are 9 joints on the R's exhausts and the only two at are any good are the first ones at the exhaust port.

Whether or not it was an installation fault or a Zard problem is not the issue.

The video shows a Zard exhaust blowing smoke.

Now it IS their problem.

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There are 9 joints on the R's exhausts
There are? Damn, one of mine must have fallen off over the weekend.

The original OP post was valid, as it is amusing to see a manufacturer demonstrate their product with an exhaust leak up the chain, but ranting on about it it pointless.
It may or may not be a Zard item issue, probably not, and it's probably someone forgetting to tighten a clamp on the cat eliminator.

This is getting boring, let's move on...
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This argument was done-to-death on the Facebook forums too. Scotty argued that it was a waste of time fitting a cross-pipe, that it was in no way a performance product, and that straight headers were significantly better and produced more power.
My response was that he has no idea if this is the case or not, as nobody has done (or at least released) any before and after dyno runs. He says he did a baseline run with the straight through headers fitted, but hasn't responded to requests to show it, so I can't say if it really exists or not. I'd have thought that if it exists and shows better results than the cross-pipe he would have been more than eager to publish it.

So, are the Arrow headers better than a cross-pipe? Who knows?
In theory better airflow equals more potential power, but may also shift the torque to be higher at the top-end, but less usable on normal road conditions. Race engines are dreadful on urban streets, but awesome on a track.
Alternatively, they might give a better overall result than a cross-pipe, and be more usable down low, making them perfect on the street.

People argue for fitting them, others use FUD to argue against, but my position is that if you don't have independent dyno results for a modification, don't claim it improves or degrades anything related to power/torque.
Opinions are sometimes interesting, but are not facts, and until we have dyno results from several examples of each modification we're just hearing assumptions.
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OK, so Scotty wants to set the record straight. Here's his response to the read-only access he has on this forum:



I misread his quote
"X-pipes are not a performance item, never have been and never will be. They are a quick fix to remove the cat...If 2-1-2 exhaust systems worked as well as or better than 2-1 or 2-2 they would have been everywhere 50 years ago..."
as meaning he didn't consider them a worthwhile modification.

Apologies if I misquoted you, Scotty, but I genuinely find it really difficult to work out what you're saying sometimes, because your comments are so contradictory.
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Yeah, and every time we fit a decat now, as we clamp up those gaskets we say "don't want a Zard, now do we?"

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Well my guess would be that they either didn't fit one of the V-clamps properly, or they used one of those ****ty BC decats without any V-clamps at all.
It's good that you wouldn't hesitate to buy one of their products, and I doubt the OP's intention was to suggest you don't.
My comment was quite literally what Fenech said to me when we fitted a decat, and we both had a chuckle. It's now part of our standard vocabulary when working on exhaust systems
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There are? Damn, one of mine must have fallen off over the weekend.

The original OP post was valid, as it is amusing to see a manufacturer demonstrate their product with an exhaust leak up the chain, but ranting on about it it pointless.
It may or may not be a Zard item issue, probably not, and it's probably someone forgetting to tighten a clamp on the cat eliminator.

This is getting boring, let's move on...
I agree.

The one that fell off, was it the balance pipe?

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Ah I get what you mean now
You call it a balance pipe, you-know-who calls it superfluous, and I call it a frgn pain in the arse when you're trying to get the headers on and off
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