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Old 04-10-2006, 05:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Anyone have this on a Thrux or T100? The wiseco or the British Customs kit? Thinking of getting it done, seen it on a speedy but not on a 360 degree motor.
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Old 04-12-2006, 09:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I have a 904 kit and make 71hp with their airbox removal kit, 904 and D&D slip-ons. There are guys getting close to that without the kit. My guess is it needs the head and cams to use it properly. I will post up my next dyno run in the near future. It is on the pump all this week for more tweaking as we get time.
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Old 04-12-2006, 10:10 PM   #3 (permalink)
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39cc more is not that much! I would put my money in the head, flat slide carbs!
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Old 04-13-2006, 02:53 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I think the extra CCs are of minimal difference, the real benefit is the extra compression.
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Old 04-13-2006, 04:52 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Our pack leader says that the most significant mod on his Bonnie was having the ECU hacked to raise the rev limit. There's a whole bunch of powerband hiding up there. He doesn't have the big bire kit yet so its just pipes, open airbox and jetting. That thing pulls really hard.

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Old 04-13-2006, 05:16 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I think going from 790 to 904 is worth it. Especially if you can raise your rpm's from 7400 to 8400 with a pro-com.

But the 865cc bikes don't get the same bang for the buck. They can already get up to 8000 rpms....and 39cc's isn't really all that much. You can get more HP with the kit, but it's an expensive dollar per hp gain.

Isn't there like a 970 bore kit out there?
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We have to bear in mind that the 865 engines come with the neutered cams, there is no 'hidden" horsepower in the higher RPM range as on the 790 engines. It is only logical that the 904 kit with the Thrux cams will not perform as well as the 904 kit with the 790 cams.
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I wonder, since I have the 865 engine if I'd be better off with just the aftermarket cam, or the cam plus some headwork than doing the 904? Thoughts guys?
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It seems that each choice would have its own pros and cons, and personal preference in engine character would dictate what the pros and cons are.
One would imagine that there is going to be some "reshaping" of the torque curve with different valve timing, an across the board gain would be pretty unlikely. I would find the engine more entertaining if it actually livened up at higher engine speeds. A flat torque curve might be fun if the engine made a lot of torque, but this one doesn't, so it's not (for me, anyway). It seems that headwork would allow one to exploit more agressive valve timing to the fullest extent.

The big-bore with stock Thrux cams probably has attributes that would be hard to quantify with a dynomometer, like sharper throttle response. The soggy lazy nature of the low-compression mill would surely be changed for the better. The overall character of the engine is still most influenced by the valve timing though and the mild timing of the Thrux/T100 cams would be effectively even milder on a larger displacement engine.

I don't know how much there is to gain here, but the stock head gasket is a girthy thickass mls type, and there have been great things said for optimizing the squish clearance in the quench area of the combustion chamber, primarily based on added combustion chamber turbulence. There is some oportunity to increase the compression ratio with a thinner head gasket, too, but I couldn't even guess how much or how little. Cometic will make custom gaskets.

I like the idea of rowdier cams with a thinner headgasket. I don't like the idea of what the cams would cost, even if one were to buy new OEM 790 cams.

All of the stuff that I just typed is straight bench-racing material. I have no personal qualifications or empirical data that suggest that I'm not full of s*it.

:-D BTW, it's unlikely that I will spend another dime on trying to convince this engine to make horsepower, but I still have an opinion about how I would do it. :wink:
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Anyone have this on a Thrux or T100? The wiseco or the British Customs kit? Thinking of getting it done, seen it on a speedy but not on a 360 degree motor.
HAHA, this is where it all started! Sry had to, it was on the bottom of the BigBore kit tread thing in related threads. This gives me hope that in a year I too can have a bad@$$ Bonnie!
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