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Throttle & Clutch cables for T140V. These look tempting!

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#1 ·
While listing my T140V hydraulic hose shopping list I came across these parts.


Look pretty tempting.

Clutch cable.

http://www.venhill.co.uk/Hoses_&_Ca...78_HI_BAR/T01-3-107_TRIUMPH_CLUTCH_CABLE.html

Primary Throttle Cable.

http://www.venhill.co.uk/Hoses_&_Ca...HI_BAR/T01-4-126_TRIUMPH_THROTTLE_CABLE_.html

The Pair of Secondary throttle cables.

http://www.venhill.co.uk/Hoses_&_Ca...0/T01-4-106_TRIUMPH_THROTTLE_CABLE__PRS_.html

They indicate that they're designed from OEM originals with marine-grade stainless steel inner wire construction, flat wound steel conduit with ‘Bird-caged’ design for strength and durability.

And the cables have low-friction Teflon liners for a lighter action.


Do you think they're worthwhile?

Also, I think I'd come undone if they needed to be shortened.
 
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#2 ·
i have used both a custom made Venhill cable and one of their "standard" cables - both were of very good quality - their in line cable adjusters are more "chunky" than the original cables - could be a problem in tight spaces like under a fuel tank -
 
#4 ·
I would go further and say that their in-line adjusters are crap. They're just not the correct size for the cable. The counterbores in the ends are much too large for the outer cable ferrule and look ridiculous when installed.
I've also had trouble with the in-line brake light switch in their front brake cables. The first fell apart before I'd even got it installed. To be fair, they did replace it but the replacement wasn't much better. The 'feel' was much too 'spongy' so I swapped it out for one without the switch (not a Venhill cable) which was much better. I'd have to be desperate to buy their cables again.

 
#3 ·
Disclaimer: We distribute Venhill's classic line of cables and hoses in the US.

The Venhill cable line has a very good reputation and good value for $ spent. But a word of caution. If you have changed anything related to the cables. Throttle, levers, lever adjusters, handlebars, carburetor tops, etc., an "O.E.M." cable might not work.
• The diameter, and length of the outer cable housing's ferrules (the little tin cup, or machined fitting, on each end of the outer housing,
• required end fitting's shape and size (the little brass barrels and balls soldered or crimped to the end of the inner cable),
• overall outer housing length, and the amount the inner cable can move in the housing, also called "free play",
will determine if the cable will work. Any one change can render even the best cable a problem.

When ordering we specify, with our own drawings, what we are looking for. We have learned the hard way what was O.E.M. in one market is not always what it was in an other. We have also learned that owners often assume their bike is original, where in fact some where along the line it has been modified. If you suspect that your bike is, or was modified, it is smart to send the old cable to them and have them duplicate it.
 
#8 ·
Hi,

Look pretty tempting.
Mmmm ... be careful what you wish for ...

I've been using Venhill cables since about the mid-1980's, when the nos Triumph 'n' BSA nylon-lined clutch cables for triples finally ran out. But our relationship hasn't been all peace and daffodils - when Venhill are good, they're gold standard; when they fcuk up, they can also do it gold standard ... :Not again

And hidden in John's statement, "When ordering we specify, with our own drawings, what we are looking for" is the fact that Venhill don't need the changes he listed to screw up, they can and do screw up standard cables all on their own - in my first-hand experience, speedo. and triple clutch cables ...

As well as complete cables, Venhill can supply components for you to make your own, or part-finished - outer to length with ferrules fitted, inner a few inches longer than specified, one nipple fitted, other loose for you to cut the inner to length, birdcage and solder. But obvs it means you need proper cable-making tools too ...

Plus certainly the last time I asked, they didn't supply stainless-inner-teflon-lined-outer part-finished; the nipples were (are?) crimped, not soldered, and I suspect they'd rather people didn't 'crimp' brake cable nipples with mole grips and similar ... :bluduh

If that's still the case, tbh their galvanised-inner-nylon-lined-outer is very good, as long as you're either prepared to buy the proper tools and spend time teaching yourself how to use 'em, or find someone who has 'em plus the skill to use 'em.

Or, if you must have stainless-inner-teflon-lined-outer, supply a drawing showing absolutely every conceivable dimension - as well as outer and inner lengths, such things as length, diameter and cable position of nipples, dimensions of holes ferrule must fit in, etc. And buy a couple of each so you've got spares as well.

So why do I keep using Venhill when they're apparently such hard work? Because all the cable makers are at least as much hard work, few of the other do nylon-lined and afaik no-one else does stainless-inner-teflon-lined-outer ... :( And Venhill and I reached an understanding several years ago after I had a hissy fit in the office in front of other (potential) customers - I used to live not far from the office/works and, on that occasion, having spent the time getting there, I wasn't prepared to wait the week or so for them to MIL-TFD (what they should've done the first time) and post it back. So I supply a drawing with every dimension, they give it to the guy who makes the least cock-ups and, if he still screws up, they fix it pdq (at the moment, they don't know I've moved 500-odd miles away ...). :D

Hth.

Regards,
 
#9 ·
Hi,


Mmmm ... be careful what you wish for ...

I've been using Venhill cables since about the mid-1980's, when the nos Triumph 'n' BSA nylon-lined clutch cables for triples finally ran out. But our relationship hasn't been all peace and daffodils - when Venhill are good, they're gold standard; when they fcuk up, they can also do it gold standard ... :Not again

And hidden in John's statement, "When ordering we specify, with our own drawings, what we are looking for" is the fact that Venhill don't need the changes he listed to screw up, they can and do screw up standard cables all on their own - in my first-hand experience, speedo. and triple clutch cables ...

As well as complete cables, Venhill can supply components for you to make your own, or part-finished - outer to length with ferrules fitted, inner a few inches longer than specified, one nipple fitted, other loose for you to cut the inner to length, birdcage and solder. But obvs it means you need proper cable-making tools too ...

Plus certainly the last time I asked, they didn't supply stainless-inner-teflon-lined-outer part-finished; the nipples were (are?) crimped, not soldered, and I suspect they'd rather people didn't 'crimp' brake cable nipples with mole grips and similar ... :bluduh

If that's still the case, tbh their galvanised-inner-nylon-lined-outer is very good, as long as you're either prepared to buy the proper tools and spend time teaching yourself how to use 'em, or find someone who has 'em plus the skill to use 'em.

Or, if you must have stainless-inner-teflon-lined-outer, supply a drawing showing absolutely every conceivable dimension - as well as outer and inner lengths, such things as length, diameter and cable position of nipples, dimensions of holes ferrule must fit in, etc. And buy a couple of each so you've got spares as well.

So why do I keep using Venhill when they're apparently such hard work? Because all the cable makers are at least as much hard work, few of the other do nylon-lined and afaik no-one else does stainless-inner-teflon-lined-outer ... :( And Venhill and I reached an understanding several years ago after I had a hissy fit in the office in front of other (potential) customers - I used to live not far from the office/works and, on that occasion, having spent the time getting there, I wasn't prepared to wait the week or so for them to MIL-TFD (what they should've done the first time) and post it back. So I supply a drawing with every dimension, they give it to the guy who makes the least cock-ups and, if he still screws up, they fix it pdq (at the moment, they don't know I've moved 500-odd miles away ...). :D

Hth.

Regards,
Thanks Stu and also to Dave, WOL, & both Johns who contributed.

As I don't have the skill to engage technically as you do then I'll just run with my original cables and review the situation if they become a problem.


This characteristic of "when they fcuk up, they can also do it gold standard", does it apply with their Hydraulic brake products?
 
#10 · (Edited)
Rod,


If you are replacing brake hose it is better if you go to Goodyear [in Australia] or one of the Aussie outlets. If your brake hose doesn't have the ADR yellow chook band on it then technically they can defect you or not pass you for rego. Otherwise get them certified/engineer checked, but a lot of expense for nothing IMO.


And re Venhill, I use their clutch cables and they are as good as it gets [there is always room for improvement]. If you don't have them fitted atm, then you would notice an improvement in smoothness and effort required. But for accelerator cables - I tend to give specific directions, buy generic and then make it work by cutting and shunting if I have to.
 
#13 ·
Thanks T.

I'll check out GoodYears offerings.

In terms of compliance, I identified a list of ADR approved Engineers who's job is to actually test and certify.

I have it writing from one of them that I won't have an issue as long as the hoses are marked TUV & DOT approved.

If they try to stitch me up I've got a paper trail.
 
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