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Old 05-24-2013, 03:22 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Couple of legal questions

My 1960 cub project was originally fitted with a "pedestrian slicer" front number plate.
I have seen pictures of classic bikes with these fitted.
My understanding is that these are illegal, but I could be wrong?
Maybe bikes older than a certain age, and originally fitted with it are OK?

The actual reg number is NZA 4 which is quite an interesting one.
When I eventually get round to registering the bike, I`d like to keep this number.
However, this was an Republic of Ireland import, with no paperwork, albeit a basket case.
The last tax disc was for 1963.
TOMCC says as its Irish, it cannot use the Irish reg number in the UK.

*I have tried to decipher these questions using the DVLA website without any definate success.

If all fails, what`s to stop me re-registering the bike in Eire?
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Pedestrian slicers are not illegal - but they are not LEGAL on bikes after a certain age.
(hopefully you see the difference?)

Most laws are not retrospective, so they "banned them" on bike after a certain time but if you have it, it's legal. Same as black/yellow number plates. Black is ok pre (roughly) 73?

If you run a vehicle in a country, it must be registered in that country, although an ex used to have a fiat panda with NI numbers here. She was a student so went home often and in truth I don't know the NI plate v rest of GB rules.

Eire can be viewed as France (I'd assume) and although it's a common dodge in London to run a French car with French plates and skip parking fines and congestion charge, I think they are clamping down (literally!)

I'll ask on classicbikeforum
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Thanks for that Dave.
I saw a picture in Nacelle? I think, with several `umphs in a car park with the front number plates, which got me thinking.
I`ve ordered one from Greystones.

The reg number issue is still open.
I think if someone pays (55?), you can have a personal number...unless its rude
Not sure about ex exports.
Presumably NZA 4 no longer exists?
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a mate has a special numberplate on his (marcos) car. I'll ask him what he did but you need to buy the plate and the number will be more valuable if it appeals to more people
so DM1 will be expensive but xy42 cheap.

I'd go for the plate if you have holes in the mudguard?

My 56 cub had a front plate but I now have a second hand better mudguard and i think it doesn't have the holes so I may not bother

you probably remember but late 60's early 70's there was a fashion to fit the front plate across the fork yokes - maybe out of a safety interest? Before they were delared unnecessary.

Incidentally and allegedly the congestion charge in London only excludes bikes as the team in charge didn't realise that bikes don't have a front plate. By the time they'd realised, the APNR cameras had been designed and they shoot the front of the vehicle.

I've bought a 3TA with no docs and am currently getting it officially dated via TOMCC so that i can register it.
I believe that as I have no paperwork, I will receive an age related one. This means that you can't transfer the plate even if it is a valuable one. DVLA aren't stupid and don't hand out MAG 1C for free.

For USA readers - the number is allocated at first registration in the UK but you can buy the number off an older car and transfer it for a fee.
You can't make a car "younger" by getting a younger plate, but newer plates have more jumbled letters so vanity plates are the older AAA 123 type.
Age related means that it will indicate the year of manufacture and nobody will be any the wiser, but it won't be the original as it's either too much work to trace, or DVLA will have sold the number on for a vanity plate

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Dave M is correct. Front number plates are still legal on bikes before a certain date (1976 I think) but are no longer compulsory. For bikes registered after that date, they are illegal.
Cars from outside the UK (inc NI) are allowed a certain time before they must be re-registered with UK plates. 6 months I think.
You would not be allowed to retain the Irish number as it formed a different series even though southern Ireland was part of the UK when Reg numbers were introduced in 1904. Eire did not split until until 1922 but continued to use the original series of letters and numbers until about 1970. The reg letters used north and south of the border inc. Z and I which were not used in mainland UK until the new reg plates were introduced in 2001. NI still continues to use the "old" series which includes I and Z within the last two letters.
If you obtain a "Dating cert" from either TOMCC or VMCC then you will be able to get an "age related" reg no from DVLA. I believe you will still need a MOT cert for this even though the requirement has been abolished for pre 1960 bikes.
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Just been onto the local DVLA office...bad news.
I can not use a Southern Ireland number plate.
I can contact the Eire motor licencing people to determine if this number no longer exists, (scrapped, obsolete, etc) but it makes no difference.
I will be given an age related number...sod it.

To register it in Ireland requires an inspection at one of their test centres.
And the relevant paperwork
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The Irish registration series AZA 1 to YZA 999 was issues between Oct 1959 and Jan 1961.

You won't be able to keep the plate, if you intend to run the bike in the UK.

When you come to register it with the DVLA, you will be issued with an age related number for 1960, which could be equally as interesting.

If you still have all the documentation for NZA 4, you may be able to sell it to an Eire buyer, but not sure if they have a cherished number scheme like us.

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No paperwork unfortunately.
I wonder if the new age-related number will be from the Isle of Wight?
If so, it will be UDL ???
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Quoted from DVLA web site....

DVLA can only recognise your vehicle as a reconstructed classic vehicle if it meets certain criteria. It must be built from genuine period components, all over 25 years old and of the same specification as the original vehicle.

The appropriate vehicle owners’ club for the vehicle type (‘marque’) must confirm in writing that:

the vehicle is a true reflection of that marque
the vehicle meets the criteria above
the club supports an application to DVLA

DVLA will assign an age-related registration number to the vehicle based on the youngest component used.
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DVLA will assign an age-related registration number to the vehicle based on the youngest component used.

excluding bulbs!


I think there's a points system to allow variation on standard.
But if you have a mostly complete bike you're ok
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