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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 12-25-2012, 02:21 PM Thread Starter
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May be a stupid question but...

So many of these old classics have a funky wiring system where the positive terminal on the battery is the ground (earth), and the negative terminal powers everything. So if I wanted to put a trickle charger on the battery over the winter, can I just attach it or would that fry things? Maybe I should take the battery out and disconnect it from things before I put the trickle charger on for the winter. To be honest, I'm not even sure if my wiring is a positive ground or not. Just got to thinking about , what if scenarios. Any thoughts?
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Makes no odds to your charger mate, just connect it poss to poss neg to neg.

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If you disconnect the battery and remove it,there is no chance of your bike catching fire if anything malfunctions in the charger or battery
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Haven't you ever heard the saying, "there's no such thing as a stupid question , just stupid people who ASK questions".
Sorry, that was the snotty reply I heard as a medical student sometimes.
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As Rambo said pull the battery then connect the charger.

If the bike you are not sure of is a '70 Triumph it is a positive ground.

First year of Triumph negitive ground was 1979.


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Pull the battery and charge only once every 4 weeks in a moderate temperature environment (not near freezing temps). Your battery will last longer.
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If the cells are at their correct electrolyte levels, remove the fuse and use a maintenance charger.
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Positive ground was purported to reduce corrosion.

...or was THAT why they finally switched to negative ground?

Anyway, that's what it was about, corrosion.

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Anyone who has dealt with British cars and Motorcycles (Lucas electrical systems) will appreciate this...

Positive ground depends on proper circuit functioning, which is the transmission of negative ions by retention of the visible spectral manifestation known as "smoke". Smoke is the thing that makes electrical circuits work. We know this to be true because every time one lets the smoke out of an electrical circuit, it stops working. This can be verified repeatedly through empirical testing.

For example, if one places a copper bar across the terminals of a battery, prodigious quantities of smoke are liberated and the battery shortly ceases to function. In addition, if one observes smoke escaping from an electrical component such as a Lucas voltage regulator, it will also be observed that the component no longer functions. The logic is elementary and inescapable!

The function of the wiring harness is to conduct the smoke from one device to another. When the wiring springs a leak and lets all the smoke out of the system, nothing works afterward.

Starter motors were considered unsuitable for British motorcycles for some time largely because they consumed large quantities of smoke, requiring very unsightly large wires.

It has been reported that Lucas electrical components are possibly more prone to electrical leakage than their Bosch, Japanese or American counterparts. Experts point out that this is because Lucas is British, and all things British leak. British engines leak oil, British shock absorbers, hydraulic forks and disk brake systems leak fluid, British tires leak air and British Intelligence leaks national defense secrets.

Therefore, it follows that British electrical systems must leak smoke. Once again, the logic is clear and inescapable.

In conclusion, the basic concept of transmission of electrical energy in the form of smoke provides a logical explanation of the mysteries of electrical components especially British units manufactured by Joseph Lucas, Ltd.

And remember: "A gentleman does not motor about after dark."

Joseph Lucas "The Prince of Darkness"

A few Lucas quips:

The Lucas motto: "Get home before dark."

Lucas is the patent holder for the short circuit.

Lucas - Inventor of the first intermittent wiper.

Lucas - Inventor of the self-dimming headlamp. The three-position Lucas switch--DIM, FLICKER and OFF. The other three switch settings--SMOKE, SMOLDER and IGNITE.

The Original Anti-Theft Device - Lucas Electrics.

If Lucas made guns, wars would not start

Back in the '70s, Lucas decided to diversify its product line and began manufacturing vacuum cleaners. It was the only product they offered which did not suck.

Q: Why do the British drink warm beer? A: Because Lucas makes their refrigerators.
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