Triumphrat

redhawk4

While entering the wrong information on the NADA site for motorcycle values, by mistake, I discovered they quote these figures for 73 models - are Bonnevilles really worth this much more than a Tiger?

For 1973 -

Excellent T140v: $6235 TR7V: $4645

Good T140V $4075 TR7V: $2810

Fair T140V $2160 TR7V $1460

Thoughts? I've not noticed the few Tigers I've seen for sale, selling for less than Bonnevilles, I always thought the extra cache of the Bonneville name was countered by the Tigers comparative rarity.

redhawk4

OK, I thing they have things screwed up, for 1971 an excellent TR6 is $6670 and an excellent Bonneville T120R $5965. I'd always been led to understand the 1971 models were considered the least desirable year due to the first year of OIF, conical front brake, seat height issues etc. So I don't understand how a 73 is worth over $2000 less than a 71, when the 73 Bonneville is still worth $260 more than a 71.

Anyway it's all academic, I love my Tiger and am more than happy with the price I paid, but I'm still interested in the relative values of the two and people's thoughts and opinions.

coloradobob

http://www.nadaguides.com/Motorcycles/1973/Triumph
I don't agree with their values. A 73 Daytona 500 is not worth $1400 more than a TR7 750. A 73 Hurricane in exc condition sells for much more than $12960 or a VG one for $9045. I expect that these numbers may be a problem when trying to get a loan. http://motors.completed.shop.ebay.co...0&Make=Triumph Bob

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Vince C

Values in the USA seem quite different to those in UK. Here, the extremes for Bonnies are an immaculate 1969 or '70 T120R that might fetch up to £10K, or a '71 nice condition T140 which might struggle to realise £3K.

Arguably the technically best Bonnies are the late T140s with disc brakes that work, RITA ignition, sorted frame, 5-speed box (LH change), and alloy wheels. A genuine 'practical classic', but they do well to fetch half what that '69 T120R will bring!

Strange old world, innit! Me? I enjoy my relatively cheap late T140!

rambo

When i was looking for a T120,i went for a 71 as it has a nice tall seat.Main reason though is,i never have to road tax it.Consider owning a 73 model for 20 years and the extra tax would be around £2000 over the period and always rising.i would never have a left hand change T140 due to riding Right foot change Triumphs for over 30 years.I might hit the brake very hard one day !

redhawk4

Rambo, elaborate on the current tax rulings for me if you would, it's been a long time since I lived in the UK, why such a difference between a 71 and a 73. Here in Utah anything over 30 years old can now, as of this year be registered as a vintage vehicle for $45 a year with no Emissions and Safety (MOT) required which is great as my 82 CJ5 jeep is somewhat modified and would otherwise not be emissions compliant as they don't work off how well it runs so much as if it has all the miles of vacuum hoses and various devices on there. The fact I have a 5.9 V8 which was never fitted to the original vehicle would be another hurdle, now I don't need to worry. At 40 years you just pay a one time reg fee of $45 and then you are good for ever so if I wait until next year, 2013, to register my TR7V then it will be $45 as a one time fee with no emissions and safety tests, it doesn't get better than that and in the meantime I can still ride it on my Dealer Plate I never even thought of that when buying it, so suddenly realizing it was quite a bonus.

I personally like the look of the 73 models best of the T140 era so being eligible for the life time reg. makes it look even better than the 1980 I almost bought instead.

DAVE M

pre 73 vehicles are subject to free tax discs.
(called exempt but you actually need a special disc to be issued)

Recently. pre 1960 vehicles are MOT exempt.
(no need to have any "alternative" certificate)

Given that we're talking a hundred a year roughly, I think that for bikes, too much is made of the tax free status.

for non UK readers, the "road fund licence" aka tax disc is an annual charge based on engine size that is supposed to pay for the roads. The MOT (Ministry of Transport) test is an annual inspection on vehicles over 3 years old to weed out deathtraps. It costs £20-50 depending on vehicle.

redhawk4

Is the 73 a fixed year not a rolling age? We had that in Utah on the 1968 year (it's been like that for years) which it still is for no emission and safety. Thankfully there is the vintage registration which gets round that and is now available with a 30 year minimum. It's a little unclear on the exact definition and what you are allowed to do with that registration, but if its registered as vintage it's not supposed to be a daily driver - that may be hard to monitor and enforce, unless you work at the Police station

M.G.Vig

It is fixed. My Hustler was built in late 72 and is tax free, whilst my mate's Commando was built in late 73 and he has to pay! Really pisses him off!

rambo

Historic vehicle tax is free and ends in the 72 year of manufacture.Not rolling so its fixed at 1972.I have 2 historic taxed bikes so i save quite a bit each year.