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#1 ·
I will keep this as simple as I can as we all know in the UK that by Friday morning we are in the EU whether we want to or not.

I would love to eat my own words but from what I know and have read on university servers and the EU servers lately the UK have been stitched up and blatantly lied to for a long time and before most of us in here were born.

The only people who are bullying us and NOT giving us the truth are the Establishments all with a vested interest in money, corruption and down-right greed.

I will mention The Bilderberg Group in all this as this is where it all happens behind closed doors.

I will debate on anyone here who thinks that by staying in we are better off. But please have facts and figures to back your reasons before you post.

I have brain damage and yet I still know what is happening in the world of politics.

So to keep it simple for now.
1. Are you in or out?
2. in a simple paragraph the main reasons you think this is right?


this is NOT a secret and personal to you, this is about the entire way of your life and children's futures in front of you right now and if you refuse to debate or talk openly about it then fine, but open honest debate is human interaction and how we live as a collective society so if this is you then you have too seriously look at your own life and why you think you are above the rest of us.

I am opening with a statement of one reason above. Public documents are now available to prove and show facts of what is really happening in the whole scheme of the EU. And the British public are to be lied to and deceived so they have no idea what is really happening behind closed doors.
 
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#2 ·
Glad to see you back on the site and hope you are making a full recovery!

While not part of the EU I will provide my opinion :)

I don't see how the two strongest economies (UK and Germany) can continue to pull the weight for the rest of the EU. It was a great attempt to pull together to try and become a stronger "Europe economy". Problem is that so many of the members have poor GDP, loose regulations and social programs that support a total lack of motivation to contribute.

I would like to see the UK pull out to save their economy and become a strong world leader again. Wish you all the best from the states !



J
 
#6 ·
Glad to see you back on the site and hope you are making a full recovery!

While not part of the EU I will provide my opinion :)

Problem is that so many of the members have poor GDP, loose regulations and social programs that support a total lack of motivation to contribute.


J
This is brilliant and here in the UK only our political class are allowed to say this to the public.
We are now stopped or ridiculed by any attempt to speak out on any issues we have and simply the overwhelming one at the top of the list is mass and uncontrollable immigration at all costs.
No schools are allowed to mention it to any child here as it's racist.
This word is a pest as everyone involved in the EU will scream it at the top of their voice and have you vilified in seconds.

Communist countries who are still stuck in destitute and poverty have everything to gain by Putin giving these countries over to the EU. He simply does not want them anymore as they are a serious burden to the state machine of Russia.

I object to us in the UK who have been brought up to fight and survive in the world by give and take from both ends.

But to suddenly find out these countries, economies and political leaders are so corrupt and down-right dangerous towards there own people in an un-democratic way is appalling to know there people and rulers are above us in the UK.
No UK citizen is allowed to voice any opinion openly in public as it was decided that all negative talk has to be neutralized immediately by the relevant country it is happening in.

But for us in the working world why have we got to give up our lives and way of life to support them when we as citizens have never had anything to do with them.

Each country should have had a vetting system on GDP BEFORE the German high command in Brussels let them join.
Big business needs people for mass production and consumerism and these are now running the show and telling political leaders what to do.

I have never lived in a dictatorship or under communism but I know what it involves and I am NOT happy.

This entire charade is to remove the last bit of obstacle in the way for the EU elite. Remove democracy from the UK by getting them to join under the guise of it's good for everyone and free trade, when infact after the UK say YES, they have not realised they have just signed over a death warrant to the UK on democratically elected members who rule in the London Bubble.

I will go one further and I will post the actual article/statement of the world leaders who decided back then that any talk has to be Neutralised. this is the actual term they used.
 
#3 ·
I get all my information from my 80 year-old Mum (who, in turn, gets all her information from the Daily Mail). She wants her bins emptied on time, she wants to get a doctor's appointment when she's ill (and not in three weeks' time), and she wants her plumber to speak English. All of these current woes are directly attributable to Johnny Foreigner.

Based on all this objective evidence (and the fact that I can't vote), my family is overwhelmingly in favour of OUT.

:)
 
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I get all my information from my 80 year-old Mum (who, in turn, gets all her information from the Daily Mail).
:)
I have had a lot of trouble with this paper as it's owned by not one but two politicians and they are both at logger-heads. One wants out, even if it took him a while to see the real truth, the other is determined to stay in at all costs.

So this is one paper I suppose you may see some truths printed but then you will see the truths smeared very quickly to say the complete opposite of what the first story was all about. You will also see they do on online version and there you will see a story, take a screen grab then go back to it say 24 hours later and see how the images and story have been changed around to suddenly make out the first story was untrue or false and the official story they are now saying is factual.

Mention this newspaper to any EU or Bilderberg group and watch them revile and look at their eyes as they turn red with hatred and anger you dared mention the paper.

Official government newspapers are owned by the liberal left Bilderberg Group and control what the press say and print.
I dare someone go to the continent and ask for a Daily Mail. Don't be surprised to get spat on if you ask a politician if they read it or have heard of it.

I got them to chase down a lead on a German led political inside cover-up on the economic migrant Muslims of Syria gang rapping and molesting the girls of Germany since they started arriving after Merkel the devil told them to come in their millions as she welcomes them. The German Politicians intervened and ordered the story withdrawn and then to be printed the German girls are to blame for being raped themselves.
this went right down to street level with the police ridiculing any girl that came forward to complain or dare say anything.
 
#7 ·
" Public documents are now available to prove and show facts of what is really happening in the whole scheme of the EU. And the British public are to be lied to and deceived so they have no idea what is really happening behind closed doors."

I haven't lived in the UK since 1964 so I have no vested interest in the out come,except to say I didn't think they should have joined in the first place.BUT the British public,along with the Australian public,American public,Canadian public,Russian public. etc. etc. etc.Will ALWAYS be deceived and lied to by people behind closed doors.
Ether in London,Washington,Canberra,Moscow or wherever.I am the first to agree though that Brussels seems to be unanswerable to anyone
 
#8 ·
Big business set to tell politicians on the future of the EU at Bilderberg Group meeting.

Bilderberg consensus and big business voting to suppress the rogue politicians of the UK and EU who dare disagree with them or try to get in their way: They voted in favour of the next article.

Flooding the EU with “refugee” migration must continue and anyone who dares to challenge it MUST be neutralized; populist political revolts against the elites in Austria, Hungary, the U.K., Italy, France, and elsewhere must be neutralized; the TPP and TTIP globalist trade schemes must be formally approved; more bailouts (and “bail-ins”) of Too-Big-to-Fail banks and corporations must be readied.

This is nasty and down right dangerous these people think they have a born and given right to control the world like this.

Bilderberg Elites: Stop Trump, Boost Hillary; Stop Brexit, Boost Migration.

What is the likely result of the just-concluded conclave of the global cabal known as Bilderberg? In short, it looks as if “the great and the good,” the high and the mighty of worldly power, have reached a “consensus” on a number of key issues.

Foremost among these are the U.S. presidential election in November and the rapidly approaching Brexit referendum — coming up on June 23. And what is the Bilderberg consensus on these two issues? Simple: Trump must be stopped (and Hillary elected); the Brexit must be stopped.

They have voted for the following to be implemented immediately upon the end of the meeting.
So this is simply the reason as why it is racist apparently to talk of any other EU or soon to join EU country or it's citizens in public.
 
#10 ·
a recent WikiLeaks document revealed a telephone conference call among top International Monetary Fund officials hinting at causing a destabilizing financial “event” tied to the IMF Greek debt deal before the Brexit vote. And this was followed up by several public statements by IMF chief Christine Lagarde warning of the dire consequences of the Brexit.

With hardcore one-worlders such as Henry Kissinger, IMF Director Christine Lagarde, former EU Commission President José Manuel Barroso, Carnegie Endowment President William J. Burns, and Google/Alphabet chief Eric Schmidt as a representative sampling, it’s not out of place to surmise that the Bilderberg confrères discussed the means at their disposal to thwart a British vote to exit their prized EU “Project.” And they do have considerable, frightful means at their disposal.

Many of these internationalists have already publicly exploited their political offices and media empires in exteme efforts to stop the surging British support for the Brexit referendum (see here and here). These types of efforts will intensify and escalate in the coming days leading up to the Brexit vote and in the coming weeks and months, as the November Trump-Clinton matchup draws nearer. They're going to get very dirty, very ugly — and very dangerous.

On April 7 the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) issued a “CFR Backgrounder” entitled, “The Debate Over ‘Brexit,’” the organization’s latest salvo in its ongoing series of attacks aimed at stopping the British people from reclaiming their freedom, sovereignty, and independence. Over the past two years, as momentum for the Brexit escalated — and especially since the beginning of this year, after British Prime Minister David Cameron announced the Brexit vote would be held in June — the CFR and its allies have been carrying forth a non-stop campaign to frighten British businesses, British workers, and British pensioners away from supporting the Brexit.

“the European project,” the code phrase that, until recent years, was used in private among CFR Insiders and their EU counterparts to refer to their secret objective of gradually creating a continent-wide super-state, while publicly proclaiming they were merely advancing free trade, mobility, and prosperity.
 
#11 ·
I've visited my Austrian buddies twice. Both of em pre-Euro. 1st time we went to Italy and had our passports checked at the border. 2nd time we whizzed right thru that border.

Britain still uses the pound system don't they?

I've got no skin in the game but if the monetary systems are separate....... either way will probably be OK.
 
#12 ·
Well..., as a one-time frequent visitor to Blighty who still has many friends in the Green and Pleasant Land, and ancestral ties dating back to 870..., would sincerely like to see you get your sovereignty back. Fear ultimately the country will wimp out though. Very sad.

Should you manage to pull it off, there'll be a lot of noise, but The City is still the financial capital of Europe. The sky won't fall. The Germans have been getting a free ride with the Euro for fifteen years, making their goods artificially cheap. Small wonder THEY don't want out.

Last week you might have noticed that the Swiss permanently withdrew their application to join the EC. No interest in joining a sinking ship I'd imagine.

Anyway, while I know you've been hearing lots of fear-mongering about all sorts of new taxes to cover "the shortfall", can't believe you wouldn't find all kinds of cash with economies from freedom from Brussels regulation. So, don't let the Government get away with anything. Unlike our system, you can call for a vote of no confidence in the blink of an eye!

Good Luck!
 
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Last week you might have noticed that the Swiss permanently withdrew their application to join the EC. No interest in joining a sinking ship I'd imagine.


Good Luck!
Thanks Lambroving, yes but this was just a point scoring tactic by the out campaign in the UK. A good one as the other side are more savage and scared of what truths are suddenly coming out at the last second.
The swiss never withdrew really, this is a red herring, they never ever applied, but simply left the invite open until the right time, as in will it be good or bad for there country and people.

They nearly got stuffed though as the Bilderberg group put in a lot of money to try and sway a couple of politicians to vote to join.
They found the Swiss people had not been indoctorined with schooling and media enough to sway the vote.
Not so in the UK as the schooling since 1982 is geared and controlled to changing the minds of the new generations to allow them to control the people when the time comes.

You should see present day school children in the UK.
say boo or ask them to give a different opinion than what they are told to believe and you will be met with contempt and hatred.

Had the vote to send back the document suddenly been rejected and the Swiss found they were joining then heads would have rolled, but because the vote was not too heavily influenced it does not matter.


Neue Zürcher Zeitung
Der Ständerat hat am Mittwoch mit 27 zu 13 Stimmen und zwei Enthaltungen einer Motion von SVP-Nationalrat Lukas Reimann zugestimmt, die den Bundesrat auffordert, das EU-Beitrittsgesuch von 1992 zurückzuziehen. Der Nationalrat hatte bereits im März in diesem Sinne entschieden, mit 126 zu 46 Stimmen bei 18 Enthaltungen.


This is how quick the news is made and gone in a blink.
27 members of parliament's upper house voted to get the thing to hell out of the Swiss country for once and for all and 13 wanted to stay. I have some names who were livid it was tossed out and believe me they will be out very quickly for there treason to the Swiss population.


Make no mistake people, this EU is causing countries and Politicians to commit treason against there own people they are meant to represent, but our own Tony Blair was told some years back to abolish the act BEFORE what is now unfolding happens.
 
#13 ·
Anyone reading this then you should know about me, the poster of this information and not really a debate, more of a look people wake up too what is really happening under your noses.

I have been responsible for some time in some media stories the UK have been informed on.
It was hard and still is as all the main newspapers are now owned and run by political parties and have been for some years.
Only one of my carers know as I don't want people in trouble for what I'm accessing but understand the freedom of information act is about to be removed on the 24th of June.

The communist way of controlling and suckering or feeding wrong information to a state.
The BBC is so totally out of par with the main population and will not tolerate any white person speaking to them over anything any more.
Do you know the BBC is now legally (Yes, legally) putting out job applicant's but NOT to white people as they are BANNED from applying.

Yet you advertise a job for only white people and you are quickly in front of a judge and jailed for hatred and racism against the population. Fined if you have money, basically you are vilified and hated with contempt yet the BBC are allowed to do it. A national mouth-piece for the EU and UK government.

Work this out and don't ever tell me or the world that positive discrimination is good for one over another.

I eventually found a newspaper owned by two people and not one, although still both tory party owners, one is annoyed at what he has found out in the last year when I showed him government and political documents and what is going on under his own nose.

I have been reading since my accident snippets of what is happening and owing to my problems I am not always seeing what is in front of me when I read some items. Advantages of being a uni Alumnus.

He is sceptical of me and seems to think I have some hidden agenda.

I am now at a stage where the establishment cannot touch me publically but after the 23rd of June I have to shut-up for the rest of my days if what I have seen and read comes true.

It will all be too late for anyone as low down the feeding ladder in life as me to ever do anything about it.

I have uncovered and shown organisations and heads of Organisations who are getting money thrown at them for there views, (as long as it is what the money throwers are wanting to hear) in order that when the time comes for a referendum the vote they cast will be a yes.
In other words billions of £'s have been spent simply on buying these peoples votes to Remain in the EU at all cost.

I have two people who live not far away from me but who refuse to talk or come near me anymore when they discovered what I was doing and when I shown them documents of financial transactions showing them personally receiving thousands from the EU and two groups who have to date received £millions in hand-outs. Both are also attached to the clubs they got money from on top of there own personal monies for buildings and renovations to their houses.

I released the entire document some time back to an organisation as I know at present this is NOT a dictatorship yet, so I have not broken any UK laws but on the 24th June I will be jailed if I dare access or give out any more documentation to anyone.

Let me tell you in America, you still have free speech and liberty but watch out as this is under threat at present and is slowly being removed also, but not at the pace of the EU dictatorship. Dr H. Kissinger has been very bad behind the scenes of Americans in private by bank-rolling and putting into power who he and a few others choose as puppet men who will follow there every order and desire. Including your now Obama and next H. Clinton.

The poor man who is trying (Trump) is soon to be so toxic and poisonous no-one will vote for him. The man never did anything except he will not follow the will of the Bilderberg elite so he is a lose cannon to them and must be stopped from ever getting near the office. I say this now, so you only have a few months to wait for this to bare out.

I said anyone can debate me but you better come at me with proven facts, and they must be totally independent from the political elite. It will not take me long to see which political editor or paper or organisation you use to quote and as long as I see no connection through history to the Bilderberg group I will be impartial.
 
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If you read daily newspapers look for a story on the total lies of the UK PM David Cameron who has been ousted on a BBC debate about the mess and deceit of the immigration happening in the UK.
It will show since 2012 that David Cameron and Theresa May knew full well the UK cannot control or stop the relentless flood of immigrants.

next story I'm hoping will break is the next part of the Bilderberg elites plan to flood Eastern Europe with millions of Islam followers.
This is a slight political problem they never saw coming.
The actual religion forbids and denies anyone who preaches the religion to preach any other. They never understood that Islam is totally incompatible with the entire western way of living and beliefs.
They were hoping to have them integrate and NEVER saw it coming that they were going to use the EU but keep there way of life to themselves and harm anyone who dared challenge it.
It is a firebrand and toxic subject so as usual the Bilderberg elite stuff their heads in the sand.

Remember these elitist trying to make a one world government do not live in anyone's community.
They all live away from the mainstream public in gilded buildings and estates well away from the general public and shear terror they are causing to there countries citizens.
They all have private schooling to keep them away from the general public and to teach them that they are above the rest of the world in education and basic rights.

that the immigration system is a ‘social disaster because the decency and tolerance of the British people … are mocked when they see their local communities and public services overwhelmed by sudden and unplanned-for arrivals of people in large numbers’.

These ‘dramatic changes … don’t affect the neighbourhoods inhabited by our insular ruling elite’.
 
#22 ·
Peace !?!

Economic arguments come down to personal circumstances - some profit from EU / some don't. Similarly I thank the EU for some laws, and curse some regulations. We have scaremonged about Johnny Foreigner all through history, and we manage to survive and thrive, but....

We haven't fought a war with Germany or Italy for 60 years, France & Spain for a lot longer. Would Hitler have been able to do what he did if there was an EU ?

Who said jaw-jaw is better than war-war ? We are better co-operating with our neighbours.

I'm in.
 
#25 ·
Economic arguments come down to personal circumstances - some profit from EU / some don't. Similarly I thank the EU for some laws, and curse some regulations. We have scaremonged about Johnny Foreigner all through history, and we manage to survive and thrive, but....

We haven't fought a war with Germany or Italy for 60 years, France & Spain for a lot longer. Would Hitler have been able to do what he did if there was an EU ?

Who said jaw-jaw is better than war-war ? We are better co-operating with our neighbours.

I'm in.
You can co-operate from a distance.Just saying.
 
#24 ·
The ugly, centralised, undemocratic supra national policies being imposed by the centralised and largely unelected decision makers of The EU for alien aims, alien values and to suit alien needs stand every possibility of creating 200,000,000 deaths across EUrope as a result of the blind arrogance and hubris of the ideologues in the central dictatorship, and their economic illiteracy marching hand in glove with the idiocy of The CAP & The CFP – both policies which deliver bills, destroy lives and denude food stocks.

The EU, due to the political idiocy and corruption of its undemocratic leaders, is now a net importer of food, no longer able to feed itself and with a decreasing range of over priced goods of little use to the rest of the world to sell with which to counter the net financial drain of endless imports.

British Politicians with pens and treachery, in pursuit
of their own agenda and greed, have done more
damage to the liberty, freedoms, rights and democracy
of the British peoples than any army in over 1,000 years.

The disastrous effects of British politicians selling Britain
into the thrall of foreign rule by the EU for their own
personal rewards have damaged the well-being of Britain
more than the armies of Hitler
and the Franco – German – Italian axis of 1939 – 1945.
 
#26 ·
stealthmode666 said:
The ugly, centralised, undemocratic supra national policies being imposed by the centralised and largely unelected decision makers of The EU for alien aims, alien values and to suit alien needs stand every possibility of creating 200,000,000 deaths across EUrope as a result of the blind arrogance and hubris of the ideologues in the central dictatorship
The policies of the EU may well be ugly & centralised but they are by no means undemocratic, nor are they alien (they're largely instigated by us and invariably agreed to by us) and this comment exposes considerable ignorance of what the EU is, how it operates and what its motivations are.

I don't want to introduce too many actual facts here but this Guardian article will give a glimpse of the reality. Or, even better, watch this video by Professor Michael Duggan.
 
#30 ·
I've gotta admit when I was a kid I really thought Britain should belong to the then EEC. The vote was in 1975 and I was fifteen at the time. I couldn't understand anyone wanting to vote "No." At 15 I didn't place much stock in sovereignty, though I got upset when my parents told me to tidy my bedroom ;)

Now I do understand the No vote, or the current Brexit vote. Many people don't trust the political elites anymore (I wonder why? :suspicious).

I don't have a vote anymore - I tried to register but have been out of the country too long. I think, that if I had a vote I would vote "Leave."

Europe is great, but the bureaucracy sucks, and there's a whole big world outside Europe.
 
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