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EU, In or Out?

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#1 ·
I will keep this as simple as I can as we all know in the UK that by Friday morning we are in the EU whether we want to or not.

I would love to eat my own words but from what I know and have read on university servers and the EU servers lately the UK have been stitched up and blatantly lied to for a long time and before most of us in here were born.

The only people who are bullying us and NOT giving us the truth are the Establishments all with a vested interest in money, corruption and down-right greed.

I will mention The Bilderberg Group in all this as this is where it all happens behind closed doors.

I will debate on anyone here who thinks that by staying in we are better off. But please have facts and figures to back your reasons before you post.

I have brain damage and yet I still know what is happening in the world of politics.

So to keep it simple for now.
1. Are you in or out?
2. in a simple paragraph the main reasons you think this is right?


this is NOT a secret and personal to you, this is about the entire way of your life and children's futures in front of you right now and if you refuse to debate or talk openly about it then fine, but open honest debate is human interaction and how we live as a collective society so if this is you then you have too seriously look at your own life and why you think you are above the rest of us.

I am opening with a statement of one reason above. Public documents are now available to prove and show facts of what is really happening in the whole scheme of the EU. And the British public are to be lied to and deceived so they have no idea what is really happening behind closed doors.
 
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#41 ·
Two things here, there are 29 million Texans waiting with bated breath for the in or out Brit vote.

If the Brits can leave the EU, then certain groups of Texans believe they can grass roots a Texas departure from the US.

If the vote is to stay in EU then average Brit will continue what they were doing.

In Texas, if the Vote is to stay, there may well be a plan to build a wall along the Northern side of the state.

Will be interesting either way.
 
#43 ·
There are queues out the door at currency exchange shops all over England as people try to grab their holiday money early in case a "Leave" vote sends the pound crashing. Several other countries have just suspended taking any British ATM cards.

I wonder how the potential rise or fall of currency, depending on the outcome may affect Triumph's stability, short and long term, and/or the prices of bikes and bits...
 
#44 ·
I wonder how the potential rise or fall of currency, depending on the outcome may affect Triumph's stability, short and long term, and/or the prices of bikes and bits...
Don't get too excited. With three plants in Thailand, I'd expect little impact. And BTW, Far Eastern trade is far more advantaged by that location than any impact on imports into the EC.
 
#45 ·
Motorcycle News
EU Referendum: What the manufacturers say


With the EU Referendum on June 23 quickly approaching it's time to decide which way you're going to vote. We spoke to a couple of manufacturers to get their take on how it may affect them if Britain were to leave the European Union.

Does the potential exit of Britain from Europe concern you at all?

Stefan Pierer, CEO, KTM AG: "Afterwards you are more clever, but I don’t think Great Britain steps out, it’s very important to have Great Britain in because it is pushing central Europe in the right direction, because we are too much socialist, too much centralised, so Great Britain is a great help for the European Union. For us the UK is a very important market, it is number three or number four, and still with a big potential – we are convinced we can grow." (Interviewed 01/06/16)

How much would Brexit affect Triumph?
Nick Bloor, CEO, Triumph Motorcycles: "It’s very hard to predict. We are a global business, we’ve got sales and distribution businesses in lots of different countries, and have manufacturing in different places. We’ll just have to adapt to whatever decision everyone votes for. It’s very difficult to say one way or the other what the implications are for Triumph." (Interviewed 10/06/16)
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2016/june/eu-referendum-what-the-manufacturers-say/
 
#46 ·
Well, we'll find out in a couple of days :D.

There are now other European countries starting to ask if they should also have a vote. That won't include Germany because the politicians would never ever allow the people to have a say on anything in case they learnt the truth.

This could be the start of the end for the EU, and there's only one person to blame for it - Angela Merkel.

She should be remembered in history as the destroyer of the European Union.

She started this whole mess first with the Greece bailout fiasco, then by opening the immigrant floodgates with her "No migrant will be turned away" speech.

Well done Ange!
 
#48 ·
I don't have a dog in this fight (or, at least not in a micro-economic way), but I did watch John Oliver's piece on it on HBO.

I found it interesting and illuminating. It seems the U.S. isn't the only country prone to irrational and illogical feelings of nationalism to our own detriment.

 
#50 ·
I don't have a dog in this fight (or, at least not in a micro-economic way), but I did watch John Oliver's piece on it on HBO.

I found it interesting and illuminating. It seems the U.S. isn't the only country prone to irrational and illogical feelings of nationalism to our own detriment.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgKHSNqxa8
Start the video at 14:00 for what many Brits are really thinking.
 
#49 ·
I do live in the UK and I'm utterly disgusted at how the campaigns for the 2 sides have been run, such an important issue that's distilled down to scaremongering and downright lies (perhaps that's just the pattern for all upcoming elections and public votes now). I have no idea how people are supposed to make an informed choice.

In amongst all of the misinformation I can only really go with what makes logical sense to me. It may be too simplistic but as the EU grows bigger then it seems to follow that the UK is an ever smaller voice and therefore decisions made won't necessarily be good for the UK but we'll have to suck it up. It's a step into the unknown and there'll be some short/medium term turmoil if it happens but I'll be voting to leave the EU.
 
#55 ·
Lot of London yuppies left to go unfortunately. ;) Nail-biter.

SKY computer model says 52% out though.

Oxford was predictable. :rolleyes:

At least my pals in the Malvern Hills voted out. :D

Anyway, if Leave wins, the divorce takes two years. My portfolio will crater in the AM of course. The sky won't fall though...

The Brummies voted out which is interesting. Waiting for the finally tally. If large, might offset some of London. The south coast is mostly out.

Hmmm... ITV just called it for Leave, 51/48.
 
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#57 ·
Well this is getting interesting.It looks like England wants out but the Scots want to stay in the EU.This could have repercussions for Britain with the Scots going for independence again .The North of England where I was born wants out but
Anyway I have always said England begins south of the river Tyne!>:)
 
#59 ·
I thought by the Declaration of Independence, Texas or any other state could secede from the Union if they wanted,or am I wrong? Of course I have heard there was a few ruffled feathers when this actually happened in 1861.
 
#60 ·
The pound fell more than 10% It's the biggest one-day fall ever seen and London' main share index, the FTSE 100, is expected to open sharply lower, with indications of a fall of around 7%.
Against the euro, the pound dropped 7% to around €1.2085.
 
#62 ·
Won't matter unless you're a day trader. ;) Might look for some bargains however.

Will take a few weeks for the markets to settle out, but traveling over there this summer might be more reasonable. Still expensive.
 
#65 ·
To be exact, the UK is leaving the EU. Britain isn't a country :smile2:
And it could begin the end for the UK, as Scotland will wish to remain in the EU and their last independence referendum was pretty close. Not impossible that Sotland will quit the Union in the fairly near future. I'm disappointed but unsurprised by the result. The little Englanders have won, and that's democracy. So please, do the right thing and buy all our now cheap UK made goods, to save us from recession. :smile2:
 
#64 ·
Holy mother of God!! I honestly never thought it would happen. I'm totally shocked, but also surprisingly saddened. It's refreshing and inspiring though to see one country in this miserable world where the actual (real) people have some say and power over their politicians.

Good onya Poms :D.


...just realised, Triumph parts are now suddenly a helluva lot cheaper - time to get ordering ;).
 
#66 ·
Well the xenophobic iq0's have won. Wonder how long before the Japanese and European companies leave the UK or any company that chose the UK so that they could trade in the EU with the minimum of bureaucracy leave?
certainky not a red day for the UK.
Upside as I'm Scottish is the possibility of a further independance referendum being called.
 
#68 ·
I don't understand, why there wasn't a 2/3rd clause for this referendum. It's so close to 50/50 ...

I hope that Farage(?)-guy won't get into power. From what i saw about him in the news, he looks to be very unsympathetic at least, if not like a dimwit :|
 
#74 ·
No one has quit the EU previously. The nearest to it was Greece.
As to any one else it was most likely a country leaving the British Empire of old.
It's going to be an interesting period in our history.
Followed by the collapse of the U.K. as well as Scotland and Northern Ireland renew the call for independance from Westminister.
 
#71 ·
Don't expect US retail prices to drop, however due to the change rates, accessories are about 10% less than they were yesterday from eBay UK
 
#78 ·
Is the vote about economics or sovereignty?

Just curious what the thoughts are from the U.k.

Seems like both issues are valid. Not sure if the economics will be solved by this change, but hope so.

I find it interesting that you cannot complain about immigrants changing the culture of the country they are entering, and yet are not allowed to want to save your own culture/history?

Hopefully the second/third generations will embrace the cultures/history of the countries they migrate to and not try and change it to where they came from.



J
 
#79 ·
Is the vote about economics or sovereignty?

Just curious what the thoughts are from the U.k.

Seems like both issues are valid. Not sure if the economics will be solved by this change, but hope so.

J
It's a bit of both to be honest.
The leave camp played the immigration card mostly. The in camp the economics card.
At the end of the day the free movement in Europe ( which the UK opted out ) and refugee crisis along with the likes of Turkey joining played to the leave campaign and exploited the fears of the xenophobic English who feel that they don't control their borders. Again the in campaign didn't really have a good answer to this.
As to the in camp their campaign was mainly about economics which was easily countered by "you don't know how it will effect our economy , you are just guessing."
The in campaign also tended to focus on the negative ( just as it did with the Scottish Independance Referendum) rather than make a positive case for Europe.
Follow on with a disastrous meeting by David Cameron ( our prime minister currently) who failed to convince the EU how close this was.
It leads up to the disaster that happened today.
I'm sure others will express their thoughts on this.
 
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