Triumphrat

Whisperinsmith · 01-03-2007

I've just read the post about China. Interesting stuff there. It got me to reflect on a thought I have often.

Humor me and start a time lapse visual history of humans in your mind for me. Now go back as far as you can and start it and speed it up. What do you see?

My question is, what percent of where we are today was determined by human reason and what percent by nature's forces independent of human reason? By nature's forces, I'm including our sex drive and the drive to reproduce as well as all the other outside influences on us. (And if you think the sex drive is controlled by human reason, ask those "fallen" priests.) (And for those who think devine intervention is in play, start your own post.)

The point is, I observe China doing to the USA what the USA did to the world a century ago. Just the way it goes. So no bitchin'. Accept it.

Question: What percent of this event is caused by reason and what percent is caused by (as Monroe said), manifest destiny?

My take is Mother Nature is one strong b*tch. I give 80% to natural forces, 20% to human reason. Remember to watch your time lapse video of where we started and where we are now before you make your guess!

triumphite · 01-03-2007

I'm totally confused by your thread :???:

Archimedes · 01-03-2007

Essentially I believe we are all doomed. We are supposedly the guardians of the planet.

From what I can see I wouldn't give 99.9% of these so called guardians a job at filling shelves at Wally Mart let alone take care of giai.

:razz:

JasonS · 01-03-2007

Interesting...

While we may be doomed, I think the planet, short of splitting wide open will be just fine... it has survived billions of years, with most species being wiped out a couple of times that we know of..... it is a sign of our global self centered existence that we easily collectively think that killing us off will kill the planet... heck the planet might even say thank god they're gone when all the fertilizer hits the ventilator.

that said... human kind has huge potential, for good as well as complete annihilation... ignorance and prejudice are quite strong and I wouldn;t put it by "us" to allow it to rule once more....

bovefrankj · 01-03-2007

Yes it's only the arrogance of the human race which leads us to believe that the planet Earth depends on us. The Earth will evolve and repair itself as needed. It's us who will become extinct one way or another.

Normandy · 01-03-2007

When mankind has finally sh!t in their drinking water enough, spewed enough chemicals into their air and created enough caustic and explosive chemical compounds; the earth will react by shaking us off the planet like a bad case of fleas.
Do the world a favour - eat a bullet :-D

mnrider · 01-03-2007

I'm sure devine intervention will take over at some point when it see's that we're just gonna destroy the planet. Then the whole cycle will take over.

On a different point of view, maybe we'll turn out like those movies where the government controls everything and we are only allowed a certain amount of food and can only reproduce with artificial insemination. Keep the population controlled and when we are too old and of no use, we're taken out back and gotten rid of.

Wombat · 01-03-2007

Quote:

On 2007-01-03 07:45, Whisperinsmith wrote:
I give 80% to natural forces, 20% to human reason.

I think you have underestimated Mother Nature by a long shot.
Or from the other perspective, you have credited humans with with way too much intelligence.

Whisperinsmith · 01-03-2007

Wombat,
That was my initial thought. That I rated mankind far too high, but then I thought about my Triumph Sprint and realized we were capable of some pretty fantastics things.

But overall, I agree with Arch. We're doomed. We breed faster than our intellect can cope.

[ This message was edited by: Whisperinsmith on 2007-01-03 12:30 ]

bobw3592 · 01-03-2007

Sex is a poor man's pleasure. We feed these starving peoples with just enough to procreate and expand the problem. There is no "teaching him how to fish" on a broad scale. The downward cycle has lead to man meddling even with man's relationship with nature and sustaining life. The destruction of the land/habitat is progressing at an alarming rate. We are approaching too many rats in the cage on a global level. The ability to leave the tribe and have a clan living in harmony elsewhere is no more as the world is pretty much developed/populated. I like Classic Coke best and do I need to run winter air in my tires if I don't use synthetic oil while riding a bike that may be made in Asia that requires wearing a half helmet with the fly-screen on a shaft drive naked bike in blueyellowblackredgreenwhite fastest insulated heated headlight bulb OEM HD waving rotors on months with five Thursdays in them?!

China will win as it stands today. People mean nothing in a Human Rights vs China Wins it's Way.

Squish a Student Game

They are OG and still are the Big Dog when looking a resources, market places, stale mate or check mate on regional and world issues. Are they Lee-Roy Brown or are we?