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01-14-2013, 01:02 AM
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Haven't seen the movie yet, but I have read that there has been some grumbling from those "in the know" that the "artistic license" of this film went further than their tastes could bear.
I hear you guys who say that this is "just a movie" and it is "entertainment" but I also know that there are millions of low-information voters out there who get their "news" from Comedy Central's "The Daily Show" and a movie like Zero Dark thirty will absolutely be viewed as a history lesson by those people.
I haven't heard yet if this is any sort of propaganda flick, but as evidenced by the previous comments regarding torture, I can see that some are taking it as such.
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01-14-2013, 05:14 AM
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I'm reminded of a few US Marines in a movie-theatre watching "A Few Good Men"...the moment Jack Nicholson's character admitted to a "code-red" they were going nuts..."That is feckin' BS!!" etc...."Guys!...I'm here with my kids - tone it down right now!!"
They did....nice guys, all of them.
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01-14-2013, 12:25 PM
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I think me being a military servicemember I sometimes criticize movies about military things, just because rarely do they portray actually military life. That being said though I also understand why they do some of the things they do: for entertainment. For most of us in the military, it's our duty and our job. It's not always terribly exciting or "movie" worthy. In the end I watch movies for entertainment and fun, not complete accuracy.
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01-14-2013, 04:03 PM
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I'm against this movie all together personally. I think it is really crappy to release a movie about how they are trying to "tell people" how the US killed Bin Laden. I think we should have kept our mouths shut about the whole thing.
Its hard to say what could be considered acceptable content for a movie talking about war activities. I doubt people would have appreciated a movie about the Holocaust in the 50s. Even if he was considered a bad guy by most the world I think popping out a movie so quickly is disrespectful.
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01-14-2013, 04:15 PM
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Generally, there's a lot of crap in the public domain that's enabled by the first ammendment. I would have to study the impact of this film a bit before I would say it's worthless, or even harmful. Are there any security or secrecy issues associated with the film, contrary to US law or policy?
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01-14-2013, 04:24 PM
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I've always wondered how the Germans felt about the barrage of Hollywood WWII flicks that dominated the 50s & 60s, which all had the same subliminal message (We won!). I guess they had no choice but to accept it, as to the Victors go the spoils (& the bragging rights). But in this current conflict, where the Victors have yet to be established, I'm fairly certain that there are 1 billion Muslims who'll take a very different message from this movie than the rest of us.
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01-14-2013, 04:33 PM
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Modern war movies set in Iraq or Afghanistan have taken a different path than the war movies of old. During a war, it was rare to see Hollywood put out a film that was critical while the war was going on, as Hollywood was a big part of the American propaganda machine. It wasn't until afterward that a film critical of the war or had a story line other than "we won!" was produced.
Now, though, Hollywood is making films critical of the Iraq and Afghan wars as they're happening. It's an interesting turn for Hollywood, I think.
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01-14-2013, 04:51 PM
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Recent wars, starting with Vietnam, haven't had the public support that was palpable during WWII, they are by nature more controversial. On top of that, technology can now shed a much harsher light on the daily activities of war than ever before. I cringe, wondering what dark secrets were borne by our older vets. Writing and making film about a war experience couldn't help but change.
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01-14-2013, 05:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RB240
I'm against this movie all together personally. I think it is really crappy to release a movie about how they are trying to "tell people" how the US killed Bin Laden. I think we should have kept our mouths shut about the whole thing.
Its hard to say what could be considered acceptable content for a movie talking about war activities. I doubt people would have appreciated a movie about the Holocaust in the 50s. Even if he was considered a bad guy by most the world I think popping out a movie so quickly is disrespectful.
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I felt the same way about "United 93", but at the same time I accept that many people want to know about this sort of thing while they are still a current and pertinent issue...it actually makes more sense if I'm honest.
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01-14-2013, 09:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BrewDudeBob
Haven't seen the movie yet, but I have read that there has been some grumbling from those "in the know" that the "artistic license" of this film went further than their tastes could bear.
I hear you guys who say that this is "just a movie" and it is "entertainment" but I also know that there are millions of low-information voters out there who get their "news" from Comedy Central's "The Daily Show" and a movie like Zero Dark thirty will absolutely be viewed as a history lesson by those people.
I haven't heard yet if this is any sort of propaganda flick, but as evidenced by the previous comments regarding torture, I can see that some are taking it as such.
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Are you suggesting that the 1960s movie "The Russians are Coming! The Russians are Coming!" was not factual?
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