Originally Posted by Owenbrau
Fraud is what the anti-vaccine movement is based on. That's what started it all, fraud and the desire to make money suing companies and doctors. So now they have people distrusting science and medicine. Vaccine-preventable diseases kill more people in the US than are killed with guns.
Used to be you'd go back to school in the fall, wondering if all your classmates had SURVIVED the summer, or if you'd lost any to polio. We don't have that worry anymore. We killed it. With vaccines. I am of the very last age group that routinely got smallpox vaccine. You don't have to now, we killed it. With vaccines, and even more effectively than polio as it no longer exists in the wild anywhere in the world.
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Utter rubbish, vaccines had nothing to do with the eradication of smallpox, nor any other disease.
And I'm not speaking from a position of ignorance, I've spent a lot of time conducting my own research into vaccines and immunology, and what I have found is that we are all being lied to on a grand scale by those with a vested interest in the sale of vaccines.
And I wasn't completely truthful about there being no proper research into the effectiveness of vaccines: a huge clinical trial was conducted in Germany in the 1970s IIRC, that concluded that people who had been vaccinated with a particular tuberculosis vaccine were more at risk of contracting TB than those who weren't given the vaccine.
The problem with the research is twofold:
1) In order to conduct a meaningful trial, you have to vaccinate one group of subjects, but not another; it's considered unethical to withhold vaccinations from people because they might get sick with the disease that the vaccine is designed to prevent. This is a catch 22 situation, and is the main reason that this type of research is not carried out.
2) Instead, prototype vaccines are injected into live subjects, and their levels of antibodies are measured before and after. The percentage of subjects that produce antibodies in response to the vaccine is called its efficacy level. When you are told "this vaccine is 70% effective", this is what they mean.
There is a huge problem here though: no-one, nobody at all, understands the relationship between antibodies and immunity: THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING. Scientists still can't explain why people with little or no antibodies are able to demonstrate immunity, and people with high antibody levels can get sick.
These are well established scientific facts that you can find out for yourselves, if you ever doubted the conventional wisdom and thus had reason to.
I will dig out the evidence and post it here, that proves that vaccines had sod all to do with the eradication of smallpox.
Oh, and just so you know: the polio virus is probably in some of us right now. It still exists. The reason you don't get sick is because your (on the whole) immune system is doing its job properly.
Confused yet? If you are, it's because most if not all of what you've been told is wrong.
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