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Old 01-04-2013, 08:05 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I'm a reformed smoker. But I don't preach to anyone. & I've never complained about anyone smoking in my presence, no matter how annoying it was. Though I will leave the room if the air gets too polluted. Alcohol is a substance that is only dangerous when abused, & providing the inebriated behave themselves, has minimum impact on those not imbibing. There is NO safe level of smoking, & everyone within a smokers vicinity has to endure the toxic air too. I'm for anything that reduces that.
PS I'm also a reformed alcohol user & Coke drinker. But I don't think they should be taxed out of existence, as it has no impact on my personal space.
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Zelatore.... good man, I wish there were more people that thought like you. So many people are influenced by the smoke and mirrors of the moral majority, whom seem to think that they have to push what they think is right down everyone elses throats. I don't agree with alot of things other people are into, but if it doesn't harm anyone else but themselves, who am I to say it's not right? We are becomeing taxed and regulated to death. We are supposed to be free people, but our freedom is being eroded more and more each day. And when people don't care cause it doesn't affect them,well they should think again, because indirectly it really does. The world seems to be moving further away from democracy and more towards socialism everyday. And as far as I'm concerned that's a little closer to communism, and dictatorship, something so many of our brave forefathers sacrificed thier lives to fight against!
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The average American's reluctance to pay any tax at all makes me wonder how the govt functions at all. Oh that's right. It doesn't!
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:22 PM   #24 (permalink)
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The average American's reluctance to pay any tax at all makes me wonder how the govt functions at all. Oh that's right. It doesn't!
Ha! Yeah that and they just figured out that on unemployment you can make essentially 30 dollars an hour when the average pay for a full time job is 21.

Yeah when I was in Australia I remember seeing the prices of cigarettes being like 20 dollars a pack.

What I do like about stuff there is if it says its 19.95 for something, it rings up at 19.95. I don't like how a 24 pack of Bud heavy costs 44 dollars though...
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:51 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Question from a non-smoker..

Doing the math on Down Under smokes, a person would spend $8400 a year on something they know is shortening their life.

In the south, smokers are asked to go outside to feed their habit. Isolated like some other groups in history.

Have you ever walked by the smoking area in a airport? Next time you do take a look at the folks setting inside.

Is it true that if you go cold turkey and quit that you are nervous for 72 hours?

How about pregnant women that quit during the nine months. Then they start up again when the newborn comes home.

I am sorry I just don't get it!
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I do not like when they are on the road and not using their ashtrays. No, I do not like it one bit.














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I do not like when they are on the road and not using their ashtrays. No, I do not like it one bit.














LOL! The image of smoking has changed so much over the past 20 years. Smoking used to be looked at as "cool" or even "rebelious". Not so much these days. One of my other passions is snowboarding and it baffles me to see so many guys lighting up cigarettes in between runs. Thats like smoking a cigarette before you step on a treadmill. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Quite frankly, its just stupid. Imagine the extra strain you put on your body by replacing fresh air with poisoned air.

I quit smoking by picturing a bunch of suits sitting at a conference table thinking of ways to take more of my money. Smoke pot instead and share it with your friends. It's cheaper and you're guaranteed to have a good time. LOL
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If you guys are shocked or surprised by our taxes on smokes you should see the new 'plain' packaging
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Look, I'm not some anti-government tea party type in the least, I just don't happen to agree with the idea of social engineering through sin taxes.

I get the arguments - its not just bad for you, it's bad for everybody because it effects health care, etc, but I don't fully buy it. In the case of cigs there is a pretty strong argument for getting people to stop between the health costs and second hand smoke and all, but this sort of thing just encourages lawmakers to look for the next cash cow. It's simple, some do-gooder with an honest desire to improve things (rightly or wrongly) makes a proposal and Sacramento (or Washington) sees dollar signs so they stand up and say 'it's for your own good...'

But what about all the other things they'll target next? Sugar? How about fast food? Chips? Pretzels? Studies have shown that children who eat dinners with their family are in better health than those who eat alone or out of the home, so how about an extra tax on any restaurant? After all, it's for the children...<groan>

I especially don't buy the 'we're all fat because the mean old food people made us this way' line of BS. You're fat because you eat more calories than you burn. It's math. Like I said earlier, I drink a ton of coca cola, yet I'm not a giant lump. I may not be in the best shape by a long shot, but I do occasionally get off my ass and move around. Guess what? That seems to be enough to offset all those cokes. It's not like I'm at the gym or running laps, I just live my life about like anybody. But we need to raise the price of soda by 30% to save me from myself.

There are no end of sin taxes that could so easily be imposed. To open that door is just asking for trouble. You may not smoke, but don't think that means this won't affect you. You may not drink that many soft drinks, energy drinks, sports drinks, etc, but don't think this won't affect you either. Hey, bottled water is a waste of plastic that's clogging our landfills. Wouldn't it be great if people would just fill reusable containers from the tap? (you can use a filter if you must, though studies have shown that most US municipal water is at least as good as the expensive bottled stuff) how about we tax bottled water to discourage people from buying it. Shall I continue giving examples until I hit your personal 'sin'? Because you know you have one, and once they figure out what it is you won't give up they'll be eager to throw a special tax on it too.
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If you guys are shocked or surprised by our taxes on smokes you should see the new 'plain' packaging
Disgusting as it is, I do not have a problem with this. I happen to be fine with discouraging smoking; I think it's a nasty habit that's both bad for you and those around you. I just don't think taxes are the right tool for this discouragement. Taxes are a tool for funding the government, not for pushing a social agenda (even though there are no end of examples of this in the tax code)
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