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Old 12-20-2012, 08:49 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Speeding Ticket Help

First I know this is a Triumph forum and I do have a Bonneville but I was riding my Suzuki TU to get new tires when this happened. I know the riders here have a lot of moto knowledge and I thought someone here might know/have something I could use for this issue.

So I got a ticket. And from a motorman! (an HD riding friend of mine said it's prejudice against Suzuki )

Anyway, he used a Radar or Lidar gun and I was in a group of cars.

Apparently the TU is so light and doesn't have enough metal/weight to activate traffic signal sensors or garage entrance/exit sensors. I know those "SLOW DOWN" signs with the light up numbers that are on the side of the road can't "see" a TU. Also there's that pic of the guy riding a TU and the traffic camera stated he was going 142 mph.
(For anyone that doesn't know, a Suzuki TU is a 250cc bike that can maybe break 100 if your going down a long enough, steep enough hill and have a strong tail wind.)

Because of these things I'm wondering if the speed guns can even pick the TU up?

If anybody has any info on this I'd be grateful. I'm looking for anything I can take to court with me, even if it's anecdotal. For instance if there were more pics like the 142 mph then I would think a stack of them (along with whatever else I can collect) could prove unreliability of the gun.

I've always taken my lumps when earned but this time I don't deserve it. There was a pod of cars and I was working to not get run over. When the cop walked out into the middle of two lanes two columns of cars stopped. He picked me out as the easiest to wave over, not because the gun locked on my vehicle. I'd take it if I deserved it but not this time.
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Old 12-20-2012, 08:59 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You don't say what state on either side of DC you live in but it seems both VA and MD as well as DC itself have money problems. They have always used Motorcycles as a money cow.

I can't answer the tech question regarding if the tiny bike can be "seen" by radar but I do have advice.

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How fast were you going? What was the speed limit?
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:30 AM   #4 (permalink)
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They do make mistakes. Years ago, this happened to me in a car. I came to a stop sign, a car flew by on the cross street, then I turned right, behind him after he passed. Guess who got pulled over in the next block?

I paid the fine, figured there was no use going to court with my lame but absolutely true story of how I could not possibly have been doing that speed in my old little car that soon after a full stop. I even went back to the same place a few days later and tried it. They had managed to get a speed reading on him but pulled me over.
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:39 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I was written for 44 in a 25. No, I didn't look at my speedo and I may have been over 25 but I wasn't up to 44.

And I know the gun is sighted but I was on the far side of a full sized suv that kept moving faster than me while there were cars all around both of us. The cars ahead kept accelerating, opening a space and passed through the intersection then the cop stepped out and put his hand up. We all stopped and he pointed at me to wave over.
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No, I didn't look at my speedo and I may have been over 25 but I wasn't up to 44.
I don't know the specific traffic regulations in your neck of the woods but I reckon it's a dead certainty that you were speeding. Perhaps the 44 isn't quite right but does that really matter?
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You should have riding your Bonnie. With it's optimistic speedo, it would have read 44 and you really would have been doing 25.
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I'm looking for anything I can take to court with me, even if it's anecdotal.
How about your checkbook...you don't get tickets because you "deserve" them...you get them for 44 in a 25.

Doesn't matter of there were 1000 cars going 44. You are still guilty. However, you can plead "no contest" and tell the judge that you were keeping with the usual normal flow of traffic for safety reasons and not to impede the safe flow of vehicles at that time of day. Then dress nice and conservative in a suit and tie and look like "Joe nice citizen".

Otherwise, you are a 1% biker trying to weasel out of a ticket on a technicality.

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Because of these things I'm wondering if the speed guns can even pick the TU up?
Radar guns can pick up birds in flight. Even though the bike is small the mass of the rider will easily reflect a radar signature. With a LIDAR gun it is a split second light beam. He can shoot multiple vehicles in 20 seconds and pull over any of them.

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Every speeding ticket I have received was because I was speeding and I've had my share. I knew I was speeding and the LE that wrote me knew it too. Yes it sucks, but man up and deal with it. Trust me the traffic judge has heard every excuse before and if you go in and present a cock and bull story it will only irritate him or her. You will have an opportunity to plea it down and get less points and monetary punishment. If you do the crime you have to pay the fine...just sayin.

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