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Old 12-05-2012, 08:52 AM   #81 (permalink)
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The EPA did not approve any motorcycles for E15. The fact that manufacturers are denying warranty coverage is hardly surprising, it would let them out of problems even if not caused by the fuel. But if that is justification to ban the sale, why should our bike mods be legal to sell?

Mind you, Triumph sells bikes in Brazil, and there are tunes on TuneECU for E25.


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I agree that using corn to make ethanol fuel is a problem, one which can be solved by using different sources.


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Old 12-05-2012, 12:52 PM   #82 (permalink)
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Mind you, Triumph sells bikes in Brazil,
Nobody gives a rats behind about Brazil. We are talking and caring about what goes on right here in the United States.

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Old 12-05-2012, 02:23 PM   #83 (permalink)
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Nobody gives a rats behind about Brazil. We are talking and caring about what goes on right here in the United States.

This is a world-wide forum, Triumph bikes are also sold world wide. Out of the 7 billion or so people on earth, the US is only around 330 million of them. I'm pretty sure most of the rest of the word have discovered fire and the wheel and have learned NOT to put the incorrect fuel into their vehicles, and how to manage when formulations change.
Corn into ethanol isn't a good use of resources. Pretty much everyone except big agra-business agrees with that. But having E85, E15, E10, straight gas or diesel available at the pump isn't such a big deal, is it? I actually wish B10 or B20 ( bio-diesel ) was available locally for my International. Choices are good.
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This is a world-wide forum, Triumph bikes are also sold world wide. Out of the 7 billion or so people on earth, the US is only around 330 million of them. I'm pretty sure most of the rest of the word have discovered fire and the wheel and have learned NOT to put the incorrect fuel into their vehicles, and how to manage when formulations change.
Corn into ethanol isn't a good use of resources. Pretty much everyone except big agra-business agrees with that. But having E85, E15, E10, straight gas or diesel available at the pump isn't such a big deal, is it? I actually wish B10 or B20 ( bio-diesel ) was available locally for my International. Choices are good.
Why yes it is a world wide forum but this discussion and the location of this issue is right here in the United States. That was my point I guess you missed and the original post is about which is the American Automobile Association now coming into the picture on this issue, joining forces with the American Motorcycle Association and the Modified Motorcycle Association and the Boaters Association of America to stop this E-15 from being forced upon we the people here in the United States of America. There is nothing we can do about other Nations so we need to concentrate on our issues here at home.

If all Owenbrau can talk about is Brazil this and Brazil that it gets a little bit old when this thread was started concerning the United States of America.

It is obvious Triumph and other Bike Makers are not manufacturing bikes for the USA Market to run on E-15 at this time. Harley has put out a notice and other vehicle manufacturers are following suit.

As the one member stated here the damages litigation is going to be huge.

On the same subject why do you think they did the fiasco of a government event "Cash For Cars"? It was to get the people used to no more older type fuels and push them towards newer vehicles.

What next "Cash For Old Motorcycles"? If that ever happens I hope there are enough Motorcycle Enthusiasts with enough money sitting at those dealerships to buy up those rare and vintage bikes some clown who has no clue what they have can be bought and still preserved from the Metal Shredders.
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If all Owenbrau can talk about is Brazil this and Brazil that it gets a little bit old when this thread was started concerning the United States of America.

To be fair, he raised more points than that, and it gets a bit old when you keep bringing this same subject up, too. While you may think that you are starting a thread specific to the USA, you simply don't get to do it. it being a worldwide forum as Jomomma says, anyone can chime in with a different point of view.

To me, this thread is largely a back and forth between you and Owenbrau, and pretty much done as far as I can tell.

And, as a vintage motorcycle owner (even if it is still in bits), I have to say that I'm sorry, vintage vehicles are great, but at the end of the day they shouldn't be dictating fuel requirements for vehicles. We need to have broader vision than that.
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To me, this thread is largely a back and forth between you and Owenbrau, and pretty much done as far as I can tell.
There are others contributing I see that counter Owenbrau's postings but I will not argue your points. If you see this thread as a dead subject then I guess it is. For those of us with more Vintage Rides it will never die because we love our Vintage Rides that much and have a lot of compassion towards others whether they own Vintage Motorcycles or Vintage Automobiles.

Imagine if you can no more Vintage Drive In Car Shows because of this E-15 being forced upon the citizens these Vintage Car Owners will have to trailer in their Vintage Cars due to they will not want to damage those engines(wont that mean more pollution due to having to use a larger vehicle to tow the Vintage Machine).

Same with Vintage Ride In Bike Shows. All trailered in(I know a group of old Vintage Moped type bikes that meet in Columbia Missouri Yearly).

No more seeing big groups of Vintage Bike Groups riding through and around the United States because this E-15 will scram their engines over time.

Bleah might as well talk to the wall.

I am thankful though for the membership here and all elsewhere who understand the concern. To all others maybe you were just born to late to really appreciate the more Vintage Machines.
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E15 won't screw up their engines because unless they are idiots they won't fill their tanks with it, just like all of us others on the road pay attention to what grade of gas we buy. Now you are pretending that this means E15 will replace all other fuels.
Talking to a wall indeed.

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Now you are pretending that this means E15 will replace all other fuels.
That is the plan over time. Just as they are phasing out old things over time to get you used to the new things they want you to use. Why do you think it has taken so long to get to the point we are at now? Because they IE:The Powers That Be do these things on the long run over time not short term. Do you actually think they come up with this stuff over night? They knew long ago the risks of using Corn as a Fuel Alternative but the Government Corn Welfare Funding is too great of a temptation for them not to go ahead with it anyway.

Kind of like "Damn the torpedoes and full Ethanol production ahead and to heck with the consumer".
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Well, conspiracy theory aside, the world always moves forward, even if sometimes that is a step back. I can imagine how upset the people who built and repaired gaslights must have been back in the day when electric lamps replaced them.
Movies are no longer going to be available in 35 mm film from ANY major distributors. Theaters have a choice of upgrading to digital servers and the attendant projection system or going out of business. Now, 35 mm film has a certain inherent beauty to it, and the theater where I spend a lot of time actually has carbon-arc lamphouses so if you watch a vintage print, the light has the same quality it did from the era of the print. Well, those days are gone...we adapt or fade away. I'll take adapting.
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